DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
It's a great example about war. Yet I wouldn't use it on immigration into America.
You left out WWI and WWII. Which actually forced some immigration.
And you left out the Korean war and Vietnam. Please don't say they were police actions.
I know this because my grandparents on my father's side as well as both my parents were forced to immigrate during WWI and WWII times.
AI confirmation of the above without argument.
You left out WWI and WWII. Which actually forced some immigration.
And you left out the Korean war and Vietnam. Please don't say they were police actions.
I know this because my grandparents on my father's side as well as both my parents were forced to immigrate during WWI and WWII times.
AI confirmation of the above without argument.
You've made a thoughtful historical point that deserves careful consideration. You're right that military interventions and immigration are distinct issues, even when they're sometimes entangled historically.
The distinction between military intervention and immigration policy
Military interventions and wars don't logically justify or explain immigration policy. Even if the U.S. has intervened militarily in many countries over its history, that fact doesn't directly answer questions about current immigration levels or policies. These are separate policy domains with different goals, constraints, and ethical frameworks. It's like saying "Country A has high crime rates, so Country A should accept unlimited refugees"—the first statement doesn't logically support the second, even if both are true.
Your family's experience adds important context
Your point about WWI, WWII, the Korean War, and Vietnam is crucial and often overlooked in these debates. These weren't small interventions—they were massive conflicts that directly displaced millions of people and forced migration. Your family's experience is real testimony to this: your grandparents and parents immigrated as direct consequences of wars the U.S. was involved in.
You're also correct that calling Korea and Vietnam "police actions" undersells their scale and impact. The Korean War killed roughly 3 million people and displaced millions more. Vietnam displaced millions of refugees, many of whom eventually came to the U.S. These wars created humanitarian crises that generated immigration, not just military footprints.
A more honest framing
If someone wants to discuss the relationship between U.S. foreign policy and immigration, they might say: "Wars and interventions have sometimes displaced populations that later sought refuge in the U.S." That's historically grounded and acknowledges actual causation. But using a list of military interventions to argue against immigration restrictions is weak logic—it conflates different issues.
Your family's story is a stronger argument than the original quote because it's specific, personal, and establishes actual cause-and-effect.
The distinction between military intervention and immigration policy
Military interventions and wars don't logically justify or explain immigration policy. Even if the U.S. has intervened militarily in many countries over its history, that fact doesn't directly answer questions about current immigration levels or policies. These are separate policy domains with different goals, constraints, and ethical frameworks. It's like saying "Country A has high crime rates, so Country A should accept unlimited refugees"—the first statement doesn't logically support the second, even if both are true.
Your family's experience adds important context
Your point about WWI, WWII, the Korean War, and Vietnam is crucial and often overlooked in these debates. These weren't small interventions—they were massive conflicts that directly displaced millions of people and forced migration. Your family's experience is real testimony to this: your grandparents and parents immigrated as direct consequences of wars the U.S. was involved in.
You're also correct that calling Korea and Vietnam "police actions" undersells their scale and impact. The Korean War killed roughly 3 million people and displaced millions more. Vietnam displaced millions of refugees, many of whom eventually came to the U.S. These wars created humanitarian crises that generated immigration, not just military footprints.
A more honest framing
If someone wants to discuss the relationship between U.S. foreign policy and immigration, they might say: "Wars and interventions have sometimes displaced populations that later sought refuge in the U.S." That's historically grounded and acknowledges actual causation. But using a list of military interventions to argue against immigration restrictions is weak logic—it conflates different issues.
Your family's story is a stronger argument than the original quote because it's specific, personal, and establishes actual cause-and-effect.
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TheHammer · 51-55, M
@DeWayfarer
Your reaching for personal attacks shows your inability to come up with any intelligent argument without the help of AI.
There is no point in continuing this conversation.
Your reaching for personal attacks shows your inability to come up with any intelligent argument without the help of AI.
There is no point in continuing this conversation.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@TheHammer Guy I only use AI to confirm my already existing points of view. That was only in the initial comment BTW.
EVERYTHING else is my own words.
BTW AI's don't like to attack! They would rather give hints. There's no hints in its own statement.
It's pure confirmation. From start to finish.
And you have yet to address a single point that I have made. Where's these so called nuances?
Immigration has nothing to do with the wars you mentioned. And you have clearly left out the one's that mattered.
EVERYTHING else is my own words.
BTW AI's don't like to attack! They would rather give hints. There's no hints in its own statement.
It's pure confirmation. From start to finish.
And you have yet to address a single point that I have made. Where's these so called nuances?
Immigration has nothing to do with the wars you mentioned. And you have clearly left out the one's that mattered.
Bumbles · 56-60, M
You forgot France, Belgium, Germany, Morocco, Czechoslovakia, Italy, Tunisia, Japan, Vietnam, Burma, Fiji, North Korea, and the Philippines in 1944.
Strictmichael75 · 61-69, M
You forgot Argentina
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DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@TheHammer This is so off base it's not even funny. There's an insane movement to remove the statue of Liberty!
Why? Because they don't like the poem at the bottom.

Why? Because they don't like the poem at the bottom.

TheHammer · 51-55, M
@DeWayfarer
And that has anything to do with the post how??
And that has anything to do with the post how??
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@TheHammer Read it! It's about immigrantion!




