You must surrender or you will be murdered by your government.

@sstronaut Peace through apathy!

@Bumbles Well, other than bullet holes or silver handcuffs, what are the protesters getting out of protesting?

Getting in the way in the form of a protest, doesn't seem to help anything...

Heck, even look at Trump's Jan 6th protesters, they took over a building, and what good did it do them? Other than some bullet holes and silver handcuffs.

What good has recent protesting done in the US?

@sstronaut The right to free speech is not contingent on perceived utility.

@Bumbles Agreed, but that's not the subject.

If we have to surrender or be murdered by our government was the subject.

And you can both refuse to surrender, and also not be murdered, fairly simply.

@sstronaut You and I have different views about what it means to live in a free society.

@Bumbles I don't think that's it... I think we agree about the rights.

I think are disagreement is about if just because you can do something, if you should do that something...

Where you say yes, as it's your right to do it.

Where as I say no, as it hasn't seemed to be helpful to anyone. And just because you can legally do something, doesn't mean it's smart, efficient or helpful to do so.

Where you don't care about smart, efficient or helpful, you just want to be able to do it, because legally you can.


So are difference is you want to be loose and do whatever you want... and I'm more tight and want to do things that would actually lead to something.

@sstronaut By your logic would be no Civil Rights movement. Rights don’t need to be qualified.

FYI, some federal agents will begin leaving Minneapolis and Bovino was sent packing. That’s not because of being passive.

@Bumbles by his logic there never would have been USA.

@Bumbles @MethDozer

I'm not talking about history, I'm talking about in recent years, not decades ago.

What's the last movement that where a post test actually made a huge change?

Has there been one since social media took over?