Nathan Gill, former leader of Reform UK in Wales, sentenced to 10.5 years for bribery and corruption

He pleaded guilty to eight counts of accepting money from a pro-Russian activist in Ukraine to read scripted speeches in the European parliament disparaging of the Ukrainian government.

Hopefully the severity of the sentence will remind other Reform politicians where their duty and loyalty should lie, and cure them of their inexplicable sympathies for Russia.

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Burnley123 · 41-45, M

It's good news.

Unfortunately, I don't think it will have much political impact. Maybe some but unless Farage gets similarly implicated, it's not moving the polling.

A large section of the country blame their decline in living standards in immigration. This is BS but it's a deeply held belief amongst Reform voters.

I'm a Polanski fanboy now and I don't want this but a Tory Reform coalition is the likely outcome.

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Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@SW-User I can't disagree but with Labour offering no narrative at all and Your Party being a debacle, I'm glad I've become active in the Greens.

He's made a lot of progress but it's starting from a small base. We are not ready yet to fully take advantage of the two main party's collapse

It's just good though to have some leftwing ideas in media discourse and be be part of a project that might work

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@Burnley123 Yup. Your Party are not long for this world and should hopefully be subsumed into the Greens. I still hold out hope that Labour can dig themselves out of their hole in time for the election, so they don't completely capitulate. The Budget shows that they are at least considering whether to pick up a shovel.

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@SW-User The budget was (given the constraints) a necessary thing. Bar a wealth tax that the Labour Right will never consider

Andy Burnham is the only chance labour might have but he's unlikely to get a seat. McSweeney has seen to that.

As if Your Party, it could stagger in for a while or it could collapse. If it collapsed, some members will join the Greens but some wont. I know these people and are lot are loyal to Corbyn first and last..some of their most organised members are in Trotskyist groups and unlikely to join the greens. Also , we don't want them. The Greens are an awkward aesthetic fit for many socialists. Not me, per say, but people I know.

I hope YP survives and it could retain it seats and maybe win a couple more in areas with big Muslim populations. As you know, the national conversation is led from the left by the Greens

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@Burnley123 Your Party already seem riven with factions. Sultana is extremely combative, and a lot of the time Corbyn doesn't seem to give a proverbial.

Although regarding Reform's rise, never underestimate the British public's ability to vote tactically when it matters.

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@SW-User There will be a lot of tactical voting in the next election..my sister and brother in law like Zack but in their constituency it's labour or reform. I get that. Plaid winning in Carmarthen shows the way.

All these maps that show reform getting 400 seats are BS for that reason. By my estimation, the non lright vote needs to be at least 40% to stop a Reform majority and at least 55% (pref 60%) to stop a hard right coalition. It's possible.

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@Burnley123 Most British people I believe will do what is necessary to keep out Reform.

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@SW-User I hope you are right. We will see.