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So have you seen Putins wish list? I mean the US peace plan?

Give Russia the territory it holds. Halve the Ukraine Military. No long range Ukraine missiles. No membership to NATO and Russian as an official language... And these are Trumps conditions. Not Russias....So how do Americans feel about the leader of the free world now?? Is there any American stupid enough to believe Trump isnt in Putins pocket?😷
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Imagine if it was suggested we'd have done that with Nazi Germany....
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@BritishFailedAesthetic An interesting point. Germany ended up with Hitler and the Nazis partly because of the Harsh conditions pushed on it in WW1. By contrast, the Marshall plan after WW2 led Germany to become the powerful of Europe within a few decades..😷
@whowasthatmaskedman What I mean is imagine if someone said to us "Look, you have to give the South to Germany, German must be your official language, etc.

Imagine what our response would have been....
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@BritishFailedAesthetic Of course.. And Trump is still trying to sell this as a good deal. Its just Putins wish list. Trump can huff and puff all he wants. He has pretty well screwed America in the world for allies. NATO doesnt care if America leaves at this point..Then they will only have the Saudis and Israelis to sell military hardware to..😷
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@whowasthatmaskedman Yes, I concur. This list is merely Russia's initial demands in 2022.
That incompetent, inexperienced, Witkoff met alone with Russia and emerged waving this 'peace for our time' nonsense.
It's obvious that King Donald, sitting in his Throne Room in Trump Castle, wants to use this as a pretext to shut down arms and intel to Ukraine. I will say it again - there is a modern von Ribbentrop-Molotov pact to divide the spoils from a destroyed Ukraine, and this time it's between the US and russia.

America's shame and humiliation grows worse every day.

Ukraine now leads the Free World - which no longer includes the US.
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