Kwek00 · 41-45, M
The issue is that Ukraine today, like the majority of western-countries, is pluralistic. This means that there are segments of people that organise under different banners. One of those factions in our societies are people that are hooked on far-right ideas, that includes people that believe in forms of National-Socialism.
Russia, was looking for a reason to give legitimacy for it's antagonisms towards Ukraine. One of the tactics is, to use the NAZI faction in society and frame it as "the norm" instead of "the exception". It's the exception, because it's political support during the elections of 2019, was really low in comparisson to the other parties. However, if you use your propaganda network, and frame it as a huge issue it starts having it's own life in the imagination of those that watch pro-russian propaganda. Now, National-Socialist being obsessed with the purity of the blood that is linked to the soil, doesn't support foreign blood occupying the soil of the fatherland. So these NAZI's, in the Russian narrative, are a threat to the Russians living in the border areas with Russia and Ukraine. So... now you have a story where Ukraine is overrun by NAZI's, who are threatening the Russians that are living within the Ukrainian border and Russia can take the mantle of "protector" to protect the Russians living in Ukraine from the danger of ethnic cleansing. So Russia wants to "de-Nazify" Ukraine to save their lost sheep in the border area.
... that's pretty much what is happening.
It's a similair story that Donald Trump is using in the case of South-Africa. Where the threat of hate-groups towards white-people is overblown and presented as the norm. And this gives legitimacy to take in the refugees from South-Afrika. Refugees, that are largely white people that have embraced a victim narrative after loosing the power of being segregationists/racists when Apartheid crumbled. The tactic is always to overrepresent a threat, that in reality isn't worthy of the weight given to it. And it's handy, because the moment someone points out that this "isn't a thing", you can point on that small segment that really excists to show that it is a thing... they just casually forget that the weight they give to the thing doesn't give legitimacy the amount drama they are creating around it. At the end of the day, it's pretty emo.
Russia, was looking for a reason to give legitimacy for it's antagonisms towards Ukraine. One of the tactics is, to use the NAZI faction in society and frame it as "the norm" instead of "the exception". It's the exception, because it's political support during the elections of 2019, was really low in comparisson to the other parties. However, if you use your propaganda network, and frame it as a huge issue it starts having it's own life in the imagination of those that watch pro-russian propaganda. Now, National-Socialist being obsessed with the purity of the blood that is linked to the soil, doesn't support foreign blood occupying the soil of the fatherland. So these NAZI's, in the Russian narrative, are a threat to the Russians living in the border areas with Russia and Ukraine. So... now you have a story where Ukraine is overrun by NAZI's, who are threatening the Russians that are living within the Ukrainian border and Russia can take the mantle of "protector" to protect the Russians living in Ukraine from the danger of ethnic cleansing. So Russia wants to "de-Nazify" Ukraine to save their lost sheep in the border area.
... that's pretty much what is happening.
It's a similair story that Donald Trump is using in the case of South-Africa. Where the threat of hate-groups towards white-people is overblown and presented as the norm. And this gives legitimacy to take in the refugees from South-Afrika. Refugees, that are largely white people that have embraced a victim narrative after loosing the power of being segregationists/racists when Apartheid crumbled. The tactic is always to overrepresent a threat, that in reality isn't worthy of the weight given to it. And it's handy, because the moment someone points out that this "isn't a thing", you can point on that small segment that really excists to show that it is a thing... they just casually forget that the weight they give to the thing doesn't give legitimacy the amount drama they are creating around it. At the end of the day, it's pretty emo.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
People who use that term mean that they want to destroy the sovereign democracy of Ukraine and absorb it into russia's totalitarian autocracy. They want to do that for their own gain and neurotic fantasies.
putin springs to mind... the term was part of how he tried to sell his (currently) eleven-year invasion to the rest of the barbarians.
putin springs to mind... the term was part of how he tried to sell his (currently) eleven-year invasion to the rest of the barbarians.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
Make it a totalitarian oligarchy like Russia.
AI generated
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A totalitarian oligarchy, like Russia under Vladimir Putin, is a system where a small group of elites holds power while enforcing strict control over society, often suppressing dissent and limiting freedoms.
This type of government combines elements of oligarchy, where power is concentrated among a few, with totalitarian practices that demand complete loyalty and obedience from the populace.
This type of government combines elements of oligarchy, where power is concentrated among a few, with totalitarian practices that demand complete loyalty and obedience from the populace.
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
What a surprise! Everyone here wants to protect the Nazis,! One hundred percent except me alone.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@Roundandroundwego What a surprise that some are supportive of Russian totalitarian oligarchies.
Even neo Nazis are really a small group that are basically a threat to themselves.
Which is why Russia loves to threaten everyone else claiming they are Nazis. Totalitarian oligarchies are so similar to Nazism that they are comparatively the same thing. Just not over race issues.
AI generated comparative differences between Russia's totalitarian oligarchy and Nazism.
Threats and control are still threats and control, whether by race or anything else!
If Nazism where really a threat, Russia would threaten using capitalism itself, just to maintain power!
Funny that Russia is not saying that capitalism is a threat, don't you think?
Yet capitalism IS a threat to the whole world! Even China has a form of capitalism for its oligarchy.
Even neo Nazis are really a small group that are basically a threat to themselves.
Which is why Russia loves to threaten everyone else claiming they are Nazis. Totalitarian oligarchies are so similar to Nazism that they are comparatively the same thing. Just not over race issues.
AI generated comparative differences between Russia's totalitarian oligarchy and Nazism.
Here’s a comprehensive summary of the comparisons between the Russian totalitarian oligarchy and Nazism, incorporating the key aspects discussed:
Ideological Basis:
Russian Totalitarian Oligarchy: Characterized by a blend of nationalism and state control, focusing on maintaining power and stability without a singular ideological framework.
Nazism: Rooted in a specific ideology emphasizing extreme nationalism, racial superiority (particularly of the Aryan race), and anti-Semitism.
Leadership Structure:
Russian Totalitarian Oligarchy: Power is concentrated among a small elite, including oligarchs and political leaders, with Vladimir Putin as a central figure, but not necessarily a single, all-powerful dictator.
Nazism: Centralized around Adolf Hitler as the Führer, who embodied the state and its ideology, with a strong cult of personality.
Suppression of Dissent:
Russian Totalitarian Oligarchy: Dissent is severely suppressed through legal means, media control, and targeted violence, including the assassination of political opponents.
The political environment is characterized by fear and intimidation, effectively eliminating genuine opposition.
Nazism: Dissent was brutally crushed, with a complete eradication of political opposition and a focus on ideological conformity, employing widespread violence and terror.
Economic Control:
Russian Totalitarian Oligarchy: Features a mix of state control and oligarchic capitalism, where private enterprises exist but are heavily regulated and aligned with state interests.
Nazism: Allowed for private property and capitalism but under strict state control to serve national interests, often favoring industries that supported the regime.
Expansionism:
Russian Totalitarian Oligarchy: Pursues expansionist policies, such as the annexation of Crimea and involvement in Ukraine, framed in terms of national interests and regional influence rather than a racial ideology.
Nazism: Expansionism was a core tenet, driven by the belief in racial superiority and the desire to create a Greater Germany, justifying aggressive military campaigns and conquests.
Motivation for Expansion:
Russian Totalitarian Oligarchy: Motivated by pragmatic concerns, including security, economic interests, and restoring influence over former Soviet territories, tied to national pride and historical context.
Nazism: Motivated by ideological beliefs in Aryan supremacy and the need for "Lebensraum" (living space), justifying brutal conquests and genocidal policies.
Brutality and Repression:
Russian Totalitarian Oligarchy: Marked by acts of brutality, including the assassination of political opponents and the use of state security forces to suppress dissent, creating a climate of fear and compliance.
Nazism: Known for widespread violence, terror, and state-sponsored murder to eliminate political opposition and enforce ideological conformity, including the use of concentration camps and genocide.
In summary, while both the Russian totalitarian oligarchy and Nazism exhibit authoritarian control, suppression of dissent, and expansionist tendencies, they differ significantly in their ideological foundations, leadership structures, motivations for expansion, and methods of brutality and repression.
Russia's approach is more pragmatic and focused on national interests, whereas Nazism was driven by a specific racial ideology and a quest for territorial dominance.
The brutal tactics employed by both regimes highlight their commitment to maintaining power and eliminating opposition, but the context and justifications for their actions vary.
Ideological Basis:
Russian Totalitarian Oligarchy: Characterized by a blend of nationalism and state control, focusing on maintaining power and stability without a singular ideological framework.
Nazism: Rooted in a specific ideology emphasizing extreme nationalism, racial superiority (particularly of the Aryan race), and anti-Semitism.
Leadership Structure:
Russian Totalitarian Oligarchy: Power is concentrated among a small elite, including oligarchs and political leaders, with Vladimir Putin as a central figure, but not necessarily a single, all-powerful dictator.
Nazism: Centralized around Adolf Hitler as the Führer, who embodied the state and its ideology, with a strong cult of personality.
Suppression of Dissent:
Russian Totalitarian Oligarchy: Dissent is severely suppressed through legal means, media control, and targeted violence, including the assassination of political opponents.
The political environment is characterized by fear and intimidation, effectively eliminating genuine opposition.
Nazism: Dissent was brutally crushed, with a complete eradication of political opposition and a focus on ideological conformity, employing widespread violence and terror.
Economic Control:
Russian Totalitarian Oligarchy: Features a mix of state control and oligarchic capitalism, where private enterprises exist but are heavily regulated and aligned with state interests.
Nazism: Allowed for private property and capitalism but under strict state control to serve national interests, often favoring industries that supported the regime.
Expansionism:
Russian Totalitarian Oligarchy: Pursues expansionist policies, such as the annexation of Crimea and involvement in Ukraine, framed in terms of national interests and regional influence rather than a racial ideology.
Nazism: Expansionism was a core tenet, driven by the belief in racial superiority and the desire to create a Greater Germany, justifying aggressive military campaigns and conquests.
Motivation for Expansion:
Russian Totalitarian Oligarchy: Motivated by pragmatic concerns, including security, economic interests, and restoring influence over former Soviet territories, tied to national pride and historical context.
Nazism: Motivated by ideological beliefs in Aryan supremacy and the need for "Lebensraum" (living space), justifying brutal conquests and genocidal policies.
Brutality and Repression:
Russian Totalitarian Oligarchy: Marked by acts of brutality, including the assassination of political opponents and the use of state security forces to suppress dissent, creating a climate of fear and compliance.
Nazism: Known for widespread violence, terror, and state-sponsored murder to eliminate political opposition and enforce ideological conformity, including the use of concentration camps and genocide.
In summary, while both the Russian totalitarian oligarchy and Nazism exhibit authoritarian control, suppression of dissent, and expansionist tendencies, they differ significantly in their ideological foundations, leadership structures, motivations for expansion, and methods of brutality and repression.
Russia's approach is more pragmatic and focused on national interests, whereas Nazism was driven by a specific racial ideology and a quest for territorial dominance.
The brutal tactics employed by both regimes highlight their commitment to maintaining power and eliminating opposition, but the context and justifications for their actions vary.
Threats and control are still threats and control, whether by race or anything else!
If Nazism where really a threat, Russia would threaten using capitalism itself, just to maintain power!
Funny that Russia is not saying that capitalism is a threat, don't you think?
Yet capitalism IS a threat to the whole world! Even China has a form of capitalism for its oligarchy.
Capitalism can be seen as a threat due to its potential to create income inequality and concentrate wealth among a small elite, as evidenced by both liberal meritocratic capitalism in the West and state-led authoritarian capitalism in China. This competition between different capitalist systems raises concerns about global economic stability and equity.