Ukraine now want all the men back, that fled to Europe, they didn’t want to die in a pointless war, things must be going well for Ukraine

@Convivial it is when all it leads to is death

@SW-User still better to die on your feet than to live on your knees ..

@Convivial yeah, especially when it's another country and other people dying.

People who stay in Ukraine, if alive, will still get to enjoy their lives in various ways if Russia governs them. What can you enjoy while dead?

And, if we consider the original post, what is wrong with deciding that your life, to you, is more important than fighting in a war?

Would you be so willing to die if it was your country? Or would you also flee?

@SW-User just out of curiosity...i presume you're American and i presume you support the war off independence?

@Convivial why do you presume that?

@Convivial what if you found out that the war was engineered by outside forces, that didn’t have the interests of Ukraine at heart, but was more about the breaking up of Russia, so that outside force could plunder all the resources of Russia and take them for themselves, a lot like what happened in Iraq and Syria, what if the war was more about bringing Russia down, than lifting Ukraine up, what if when that outside force has achieved its aims, it just simply turned its back on Ukraine, what if zelenskyy was simply a tool of that outside force, and was so corrupt that he was just enriching himself at the expense of all these poor Ukraine soldiers dying for nothing on the front lines, I say for nothing, meaning that Ukraine fighting Russia is not winnable, even though the media in the west are telling a different story, and zelenskyy and these outside forces are fully a ware of this, what if these outside forces were enriching themselves too, having mansions built as we speak, off the back of these dead Ukraine soldiers, through money paid to them from the manufacturer’s of the weapons of war, because these manufacturers are making a killing, excuse the pun, a lot of people get rich from wars, which is what is happening right now, this is a proxy war between Russia and NATO,

@ididntknow it's a proxy war, no argument there... But Ukrainians are still fighting and dying for their country to stop an invasion,.

@Convivial Have a look at some history, Ukraine 2014 to present day, then 2008 to 2014, then you might have some understanding as to what is happening in Ukraine, until you’ve done that, quite frankly, you have no idea what you are talking about

@ididntknow lol...i do love that approach.... One could say the same about the states, it was majority settled by the English and they never should have rebelled

@ididntknow it really started in 2004

@SW-User so what, an invasion is still an invasion

@Convivial right, and now you've again shared that very enlightened perspective with us, maybe we could question what caused the invasion? Or consider what the history is and how far it goes back?

Or are you just going to repeat that same word?

@ididntknow No, it’s just what it seems. An invasion. Not fun enough for you conspiracy loons, I know.

@Bumbles what is sad is that people like you with limited information come out with silly little comments, thinking they are clever, but just show their total ignorance as to what is going on in Ukraine, probably listen to mainstream media and thinking they are informed, but in reality are just ignorant, misinformed, propagandised people, yes, that’s you,

@ididntknow You just keep your tinfoil hat on, baby, that will keep you safe! 😂. Oh, wait, the tin company is really a front for Martians!

@Bumbles you are a very ignorant man, only one thing worse, an ignorant person, that is one that doesn’t have the intelligence to realise he is ignorant, don’t worry, you’re not on your own, you have lots of friends out there, you lack critical thinking