Is Ukraine worth fighting for?

As everyone knows there is a nasty war of attrition going on in Ukraine and Ukraine tragically is losing about 10 soldiers for every 1 soldier that Russia is losing. That makes the war unsustainable but still the question remains "Is Ukraine worth fighting for". I honestly don't care which side 'wins' or which side 'loses. I simply prefer that the war stop immediately. It should never have started. That aside I was able to share a baptism event on the North Saskatchewan River here in Central Alberta. I traditionally associate Ukrainians with the Orthodox or Catholic tradition but this was a Pentecostal service. There were about 100 military age Ukrainian refugees at the service. I didn't get much of what was being said as the service was in Ukrainian led by a pastor who left Ukraine 2 years ago. Most everyone there had left in a similar time frame. Everyone I spoke to said that they did not want to return to Ukraine. Oh and most of them had their wife and children with them. Interesting times we live in. I wonder what it must be like in Poland and Germany where many more Ukrainians are taking refuge.

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robertsnj · 56-60, M

I feel sad for the war and loss of life too--but to address your question is a war for economic gain for Russian through hostile acquisition. Their oil and gas exports alone make them an alluring target for Russia. If you shift your though process (and this is not a criticism to you) from religion and culture to more of war as an economics decision almost all wars will have a clarity (though unsettling ) to you.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/04/28/ukraine-war-russia-resources-energy-oil-gas-commodities-agriculture/

In terms of Germany---Germany imported energy from Russia and have a disrupted supply chain due to the war going into a tough German winter. While you think about refugees many of their minds are more on energy than immigration.

That was the point of economic sanctions on Russia by the West and why economics sanctions are a go to strategy to deter war. The idea is to make the price of admission (sanctions plus cost of war) worth more than the possible gain.

hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M

@robertsnj When you have peaceful relations with your neighbor you don't need to invade it to take its wealth. You trade for it. Look at the US and Canada. Russia and Ukraine had similar trade relationships. Sadly it is the US that wants Russian wealth and is trying to us Ukraine to gain it. Blackrock is licking its lips in anticipation of taking over Russia's wealth.

robertsnj · 56-60, M

@hippyjoe1955 certainly Blackrock is a winner in the current situation.

specman · 51-55, M

@hippyjoe1955 no Russia started this. You can blame the US because you don’t like us but we did not cause this war .

hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M

@specman You and your American ignorance are a real hoot. The US was the instigator of this war and Biden was POTUS when the war started. It is all on him. You have no idea that the US dollar is based on debt and war and should other nations stop buying US debt and should the US stop selling arms the US economy would collapse.

specman · 51-55, M

@hippyjoe1955 Biden will no longer be president after elections. The US will not collapse. The weakness that was connected with Biden's presidency emboldened Russia, but we did not cause the invasion. Russia invaded Ukraine on it's own.

hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M

@specman you have no idea how precarious the US actually is. BRICS is about to destroy the US dollar.

specman · 51-55, M

@hippyjoe1955 Yeah you posted a while back that Ukraine lost the war . Which makes you sound real truthful.