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Will Ukraine win ?

Do you think despite high losses Russia will send other tanks and other more not caring about casualties, till victory or will ring retreat?
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Elessar · 26-30, M
Russia is literally drafting the homeless right now..

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/10/12/russias-military-mobilization-targets-the-homeless-poor-reports-a79065

My guess is that at some point Russia will claim they have reached their objectives and declare their operation concluded. Regardless of reality, from which they've been disconnected for a while now
Nimbus · M
@Elessar Seems like the new conscripts need target practice:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/15/11-russian-volunteer-soldiers-reportedly-shot-dead-and-15-wounded-in-training-ground-attack
@Elessar usa did draft homeless in Vietnam as well

However remember soviet army stock is still full so really depends how many men are considered disposable
Elessar · 26-30, M
@Nimbus Who could ever have anticipated this? /s
Nimbus · M
@Elessar Ceertainly not Pootin!
Elessar · 26-30, M
@Motherwifenurseandnanny And in fact the US has de facto lost that war
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Elessar · 26-30, M
@MarmeeMarch They don't fight, they just add volume. No, totally not desperate, just believe it 😜
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Elessar · 26-30, M
@MarmeeMarch Meat for the grinder
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Elessar · 26-30, M
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Elessar · 26-30, M
@MarmeeMarch You've argued it's not a grinder, these are the numbers of a grinder. That's what was being discussed and that's what that figure answers.

Zelensky's "problem" is that he isn't a Lukashenko kind of puppet, nothing more and nothing less. He's spans above Putler, at the eyes of any non involved observer, whether you accept it or not.

If you don't like the source you can provide a better one yourself. Like, the U.S. independently estimated 15k in July (https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/cia-director-says-some-15000-russians-killed-ukraine-war-2022-07-20/), long before the draft and Ukrainian counteroffensive in the south, but I guess you'll raise something against this one as well because, huh, it paints Russia for the sh*tshow it is.
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Elessar · 26-30, M
@MarmeeMarch Yeah, and Jesus will return and begin the rapture. Feel free to join the endless list of those who died off waiting for something that never happens. If Russia had anything, short of taking the world down with itself by dropping a nuke, it would've been played long before becoming the world's pariah, and long before drafting the homeless.

Also, 15k in July is per the U.S., I'm quite convinced the CIA is a reliable party. That'd be 3k/mo, considering we were at month 5 back then. Assuming a constant rate (which is never the case, because once you've lost the spearhead units, the troops behind will die off at a faster rate, especially when said units are f*cking civilians with a bare minimum training and *maybe* a gun). That'd put us at a bare minimum of 24k losses, without considering the counteroffensive and assuming a constant rate. Ukrainian numbers seem quite realistic, all considered.
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Elessar · 26-30, M
@MarmeeMarch Russia liberated who? 🤣 You really chug on their propaganda like a little baby

No, over here we were liberated by Allies forces, not soviets - along with internal partisan resistance movements. Among them, Americans - that weren't whiny b*tches easy prey of authoritarianism, especially Russian authoritarianism and nazi/fascist authoritarianism, gave their life for liberating us.

But feel free to ask any east European, in particular Poles, Baltics or Finns how much they feel like they were "liberated" by Russia. Hint: they're the countries most determined into sending aids to Ukraine and taking the strongest stance against Russia right now, to give you an idea.