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Does Erdogan's Turkey Belong in Nato

[b]Every member of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization has enthusiastically welcomed Finland and Sweden except one: Turkey, which on Wednesday blocked an early vote to begin accession talks. For reasons that are political, parochial and irrelevant to the decision, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has taken a hard line in his efforts to derail the prospective members. This should raise the question of whether Turkey under Mr. Erdogan’s leadership belongs in the alliance.
Similarly, NATO members have shown steadfast resolve since Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine, except for Turkey. With the exception of permitting the sale of combat drones to Ukraine—a deal between Kyiv and private defense manufacturer Baykar Makina that was signed before the war—Ankara has offered little more than noisy diplomacy. Mr. Erdogan has tried to position himself as a broker of peace between Ukraine and Russia, mirroring his previous and similarly ineffectual offer to negotiate with the Taliban during America’s withdrawal last year.
This peacemaker’s posture has provided cover for a pattern of cooperation with Moscow, including Turkey’s purchase of the S-400 missile-defense system from Russia in 2017. Since Russia’s invasion, Mr. Erdogan has refused to send that system to Ukraine, refused to join NATO members’ sanctions against Russia, and allowed Turkey to become a haven for Russian oligarchs, bank accounts and investments.
Mr. Erdogan’s mismanagement of the Turkish economy has left him in need of Russian economic support. While average citizens face soaring costs for basic goods, he continues to dole out gargantuan state contracts to allies, typically through noncompetitive tenders and often for vanity projects. Russia’s support props up Mr. Erdogan’s regime and provides the Turkish president with a kindred antidemocratic ally.
Freedom and transparency in Turkey have suffered under Mr. Erdogan by every measure. The global Corruption Perceptions Index for 2021 ranked Turkey 96th, down from 77th when he became prime minister in 2003. The 2021 Global Democracy Index placed Turkey 103rd, down from 88th in 2006. Finland and Sweden ranked first and fourth, respectively in the 2021 Corruption Perceptions Index, and sixth and fourth in the Global Democracy Index.
Oligarchs close to Mr. Erdogan have systematically acquired Turkish media, while the government has jailed many opposition journalists, turning a once-rambunctious domestic press into propaganda organs. International media has been harassed by the state broadcasting authority. Religious and ethnic minorities face daily persecution. Women’s rights have been trampled...
Turkey is a member of NATO, but under Mr. Erdogan it no longer subscribes to the values that underpin this great alliance. Article 13 of the NATO charter provides a mechanism for member states to withdraw. Perhaps it is time to amend Article 13 to establish a procedure for the expulsion of a member nation that meets neither the principled nor the practical requirements for membership.
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i feel for the wonderful people of Turkey . I MILLION Of them marched a few years back in support of Secular Government
now they are under the hand of yet another right wing demagogue

America needs to pull our Base there and take all the nukes that are there,
let them defend themselves with putin

Erdogan SHOULD be out of Nato

someone in Russia should "do something" polonium maybe
@senghenydd and hge blamed a guy in the US for it
senghenydd · M
@SatyrService There might be more finger pointing towards Guys in the UK and US in the future.
senghenydd · M
@senghenydd The latest I've heard is Turkey are willing to export the Ukraine's Grain through their ports so they are there trying to help the Grain problem.
Ynotisay · M
The problem is there's no clear-cut criterion to expel NATO members. It can conceivably happen but it would be tricky and need to be based on something really extreme. Like Turkey joining Russia in fighting. It's been talked about for a while with them. And yeah, an amendment is absolutely in order.
senghenydd · M
@Ynotisay For the time being NATO should simply allow Finland and Sweden to join NATO as we all know these are difficult times Russia will at some stage have to be stopped I say that with a heavy heart.
Ynotisay · M
@senghenydd Agree. But it needs to come through unanimous agreement. That's where it gets tricky with Turkey.
senghenydd · M
@Ynotisay Talks are on-going maybe a solution will be found.
msros · F
Turkey is the only country that seems odd in NATO, like it doesnt really belong there.
senghenydd · M
@msros I can't see Turkey blocking Finland and Sweden's application to membership of NATO indefinately the entry for membership will have to the changed.
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
Turkey appears to be pretty much of a right wing dictatorship -- not exactly a shining example of the ideals of most NATO nations.
senghenydd · M
@ChipmunkErnie Turkey is too close to Russia and us currently sitting on the fence and blocking two countries who are desperate to join NATO for their own countries safety.
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
@senghenydd Turkey has been fighting Russia on and off for centuries, no reason for things to change now, I guess.
senghenydd · M
@ChipmunkErnie Britain has had trouble with Turkey as well, my late Grandfather was fighting them I can remember his stories all too well.

It's now obvious what Russia's intentions are what we need to put a halt on this conflict is a strong NATO with Finland and Sweden as full members of NATO, according to news bulletins Turkey is making excuses why they shouldn't join NATO, I find that worrying.
Ferric67 · M
Erdogan is a ruthless dictator, which by the way, had floated out there the idea that Turkey has legitimate claim on a few of the Greek islands
Tres13 · 51-55, M
Zelensky,Putin,Trump & Erdogans their country’s welfare comes First
senghenydd · M
@Tres13 That's always the case.
Fukfacewillie · 56-60, M
It’s just to try to keep them in any semblance of a being “western.” But they are horrible.
Fukfacewillie · 56-60, M
@SatyrService Fair enough. Only 9% of Turks acknowledge the Armenia genocide.
@Fukfacewillie 9% of those polled. we need to understand how polls work.
many there, are afraid to speak agains Erdogan. Kinda like in russia
Many of the Turks I know? recognize the genocide.. just not when INSIDE turkey
Poland, Hungary, The Philippines, Serbska, north Korea, texas
all places under the hands of dictators
Fukfacewillie · 56-60, M
@SatyrService Okay, I take the point.
Justenjoyit · 61-69, M
He is getting money from Putin.
senghenydd · M
@Justenjoyit This seems to be the case he's in Russia's pocket.
Justenjoyit · 61-69, M
@senghenydd Turkey has said Russians are welcome to come to Turkey with no sanctions.
senghenydd · M
@Justenjoyit Turkey shares the Black Sea with a small number of countries which includes Russia I can see Turkey's problem which doesn't help NATO or Finland or Sweden.

 
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