Is attacking the refugee camp still "self defence"

@Bumbles bullshit claim. If thats the case then so is the hamas attack of the music festival

@Guitarman123 It’s the truth. All wars have tragedies.

@Bumbles then hamas attacking the music festival is also a tragic consequence

@Guitarman123 I’m sure that’s what you think.

@Bumbles just going by your way of thinking

@Guitarman123 Oh, so you don’t agree. Make up your mind, jeeze.

@Bumbles just going by whats you're saying. If attacking the refugee camp is a tragic consequence of war then surely hamas attacking the music festival is the same

@Guitarman123 If you keep saying it does it make it any less silly?

@Bumbles you're claim its a tragic consequence of war is beyond moronic

@Guitarman123 It’s the truth.

@Bumbles but when hamas attacks it's different?

@Guitarman123 Yes, obviously.

@Bumbles how so?

@Guitarman123 Because the goal was to kill innocent people. Israel has no such goal. If there is proof of it, I will reconsider.

@Bumbles by the fact they've killed over 3 thousand Palestinians. Blown up hospital and attacked refugee camp

@Bumbles I'd argue that killing refugees is pretty much a goal of killing innocent people. I'd also argue throwing out Palestinian grandmothers out of their houses for American and European settlers is ethnic cleansing.

@Guitarman123 That is not proof when Hamas is known to use human shields and they are in densely populated areas.

@Bumbles israel has killed also Palestinian women and children

@basilfawlty89 If they specifically targeted refugees I would concede the point. I have no proof of it.

@Bumbles that's an excuse created by israel to justify their actions. They want people to forget that hamas came into existence many years after israel started ethnic cleansing and occupying Palestine

@Guitarman123 I respectfully disagree.

@Bumbles history strongly suggests otherwise

@basilfawlty89 why would Hamas be hiding in a refugee centre? Let's even say they did, Israel is guilty of war crimes. Using white phosphorus, especially in civilian areas is a war crime.

As to my later point, you're quiet on the fact that Palestinians are routinely kicked out of their homes in the West Bank for new settlers. If you want proof of that, I have a plethora.

@basilfawlty89 I appose all settlements. I don’t know what happened in the refugee camp. If civilians were intentionally targeted then anyone involved should be tried for murder.

If white phosphorus was used illegally, then those involved should also face the consequences.

@Bumbles calling this a war is absolutely ridiculous. one side has a military funded with millions upon millions of dollars. while the other side no military, they only have stones. if a country has the power to cut off food, water, electricity, and resources; it’s not a war, it’s an occupation. call it what it is: it’s a genocide. hamas are the children of the palestinians who were MURDERED by israeli forces. israel is mad about how resilient the palestininan people are, they’re seeking to wipe them all out. sounds very similar to someone we all know🤔 there is no ethical reason to bomb an area that is 50% children. it is genocide and ethnic cleansing, it’s all happening right in front of us.