76% of Brits support an immediate ceasefire in Gaza
Despite the leaders of both major parties supporting the invasion and almost none of our media called for a ceasefire.
41-45, M
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Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Spoiledbrat They are an occupied people and that gets missed because the media present it as something different. That given, Palestinians have a right to defend themselves. However, I agree that targeting civilians is plain wrong. The kids at the festival and the kibbutz people did nothing wrong. Ironically, they are part of demographics that are relatively pro-Palestinian too.
perceptivei · 36-40, F
@Spoiledbrat I would prefer to speak to someone who has experience with war. What is barbaric? If you ask a soldier from the Vietnam war or ... was there a Korean war? My school made me forget. 🫠 If i were an American who fought in either war (was there a war?)
All I remember is Jews and Palestinians.
🤦♀️
All I remember is Jews and Palestinians.
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perceptivei · 36-40, F
Nah. There's a war between...
WHO?
WHO?
Spoiledbrat · F
It was barbaric because it was one sided and the people who were killed weren't trained militants. They were innocent. @perceptivei
perceptivei · 36-40, F
@Spoiledbrat They're all barbaric. Anyone who kills that way... right in your face
... is very barbaric.
Most people who kill these days don't kill in such ways.
Most humane murders are silent.
Without being silent. 😉
... is very barbaric.
Most people who kill these days don't kill in such ways.
Most humane murders are silent.
Without being silent. 😉
Spoiledbrat · F
@perceptivei So then you won't mind the war between Israel and Palestine😎
perceptivei · 36-40, F
@Spoiledbrat I don't want anyone dying. Honest truth - I don't kill roaches for fun.
I'm not here to kill. I don't believe in killing others.
I'm not here to kill. I don't believe in killing others.
LeopoldBloom · M
@Spoiledbrat Why is Israel the only country whose existence is questioned?
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Harmonium1923 · 51-55, M
@LeopoldBloom Right? I wonder why that could possibly be.
Spoiledbrat · F
I don't know the history of the middle east well. @LeopoldBloom
LeopoldBloom · M
@KiwiBird Russia is the only country questioning Ukraine's existence. Many countries don't recognize Israel's right to exist. It's not comparable.
LeopoldBloom · M
@Spoiledbrat A brief summary:
There has always been a Jewish presence in that area. However, the last time before the present when it was a Jewish state was under the Hasmoneans, which ended when Rome conquered it. Over the next two millennia, various external powers controlled the area, and Arabs from the surrounding areas gradually moved in. More recently, it was under the control of the Ottoman Empire (based in Turkey). Starting in the late 1800s, European Jews began moving to the area, purchasing land from the Ottomans or the local Arab farmers. After World War One, the Ottoman Empire fell and the area was taken over by the British, who promised a homeland to both Jews and Arabs. More Jews emigrated there, encountering resistance from the local Arabs who felt that this was changing the character of the area. Keep in mind, there had not been an independent Jewish country there for 2000 years, and there had never been an independent Palestinian one.
After World War Two, the UN voted to partition it into separate Jewish and Palestinian countries. Immediately after the British withdrew in 1948, the surrounding Arab countries attacked, and surprisingly, Israel not only survived, but captured more territory. This resulted in the ethnic cleansing of many Arab villages. This was followed by the expulsion of 900,000 Jews from their homes in the Arab world, and most of these went to Israel. This is why Israeli Jews look different from the Jews here in the US, most of whom are from Eastern Europe. In 1967, the Six-Day War resulted ultimately in Israel controlling the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. Since then, Israel has established settlements in the West Bank (possibly illegally). In 2005, Israel dismantled all of its settlements in Gaza and turned the area over to the Palestinians, who elected Hamas. Israel retaliated by imposing a blockade. So here we are.
I've left out a lot of negotiations and missed opportunities but this is the basic story. One solution would be to create a Palestinian country (the two-state solution) but this is opposed by a majority of Palestinians. The goal of some Palestinian groups like Hamas, to take over the entire area and get rid of any Jews living there, is obviously not going to fly with Israel.
There has always been a Jewish presence in that area. However, the last time before the present when it was a Jewish state was under the Hasmoneans, which ended when Rome conquered it. Over the next two millennia, various external powers controlled the area, and Arabs from the surrounding areas gradually moved in. More recently, it was under the control of the Ottoman Empire (based in Turkey). Starting in the late 1800s, European Jews began moving to the area, purchasing land from the Ottomans or the local Arab farmers. After World War One, the Ottoman Empire fell and the area was taken over by the British, who promised a homeland to both Jews and Arabs. More Jews emigrated there, encountering resistance from the local Arabs who felt that this was changing the character of the area. Keep in mind, there had not been an independent Jewish country there for 2000 years, and there had never been an independent Palestinian one.
After World War Two, the UN voted to partition it into separate Jewish and Palestinian countries. Immediately after the British withdrew in 1948, the surrounding Arab countries attacked, and surprisingly, Israel not only survived, but captured more territory. This resulted in the ethnic cleansing of many Arab villages. This was followed by the expulsion of 900,000 Jews from their homes in the Arab world, and most of these went to Israel. This is why Israeli Jews look different from the Jews here in the US, most of whom are from Eastern Europe. In 1967, the Six-Day War resulted ultimately in Israel controlling the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. Since then, Israel has established settlements in the West Bank (possibly illegally). In 2005, Israel dismantled all of its settlements in Gaza and turned the area over to the Palestinians, who elected Hamas. Israel retaliated by imposing a blockade. So here we are.
I've left out a lot of negotiations and missed opportunities but this is the basic story. One solution would be to create a Palestinian country (the two-state solution) but this is opposed by a majority of Palestinians. The goal of some Palestinian groups like Hamas, to take over the entire area and get rid of any Jews living there, is obviously not going to fly with Israel.
Spoiledbrat · F
Thank you. That was a great summary @LeopoldBloom
LeopoldBloom · M
@Spoiledbrat Thank you!