Palestinian death toll rises to 1500.

This in a few days of bombs and missiles into civilian areas. This is before the ground offensive starts and before or the health system collapses. Two things that are about to happen.

This is likely to result in tens of thousands of deaths and many more due to starvation and disease. This is before we get to life changing injuries, which will be tens of thousands again.

I'm not shedding a tear for the Hama's fighters who targeted civilians but I am for everyone else. If a whole population must be made collectively responsible for the actions of their government then, well I deserve to die. By logical extension, I must be responsible for the Iraq war, Brexit and all the poverty caused by Tory austerity policies.

Do we value all lives equally? If we do, then we should be all be condemning the actions of the Israeli state.

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newjaninev2 · 56-60, F

hamas is a terrorist organisation that has been sheltered, housed, fed, encouraged, lauded, and supported by the residents of Gaza.
While hamas terrorists were murdering Israeli families, while hamas terrorists were shooting Israeli babies or burning them alive, while hamas terrorists were firing missies at a music festival, while hamas terrorists were kidnapping Israeli citizens from their homes... the residents of Gaza were dancing in the streets, celebrating, and shouting their approval.

The dildo of consequences seldom arrives lubed.

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@newjaninev2 Ok. I think that anyone who supported the Iraq war should be tried for war crimes.

newjaninev2 · 56-60, F

@Burnley123 We're talking about the hamas terrorist attack

specman · 51-55, M

@Burnley123 and you think Hamas is great too!

Kwek00 · 41-45, M

@newjaninev2 Wow Janine... is that really your take on this one. Are we going to pretend that the entire Gaza strip now is the enemy? The irony is that the extremists that targeted civilians in their slaughter, pretty much use the same rational when they went on their killing spree last weekend. I guess there are no civilians anymore, everyone is a combatant, there is no innocence, because they are all part of a community that harbored hatemongers and has segment of their populations which supported the murder of civilians at some point or another. The sins of the extremists are the sins of everyone now. Get your guns and start shooting!

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@specman I specifically criticised Hamas for targeting civilians in my post. Unsurprisingly, someone tried to put that on me anyway. Meh

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@newjaninev2 Just to add to Kwek's (excellent) rebuttal, about 50% of Gazans are under 18. Are they enemy combatants too.

newjaninev2 · 56-60, F

@Kwek00 [quote]there are no civilians anymore, everyone is a combatant, there is no innocence, because they are all part of a community that harbored hatemongers[/quote]

You're on to it!

A few 'extremists' on a 'killing spree'... yeah, right!

BRUUH

@newjaninev2 Jane, I somewhat agree with you and somewhat disagree.

It's always wrong to kill civillians. However, it's hard for me to condemn military action which doesn't directly target civillians, but knows civillians will die yet is carried out anyways. I doubt world war two could have been won had we used the same morals of war that we have now. If we never did anything that resulted in civillian death, could we have defeated the third reich, Itally, and Japan? Probably not, hoenstly. So, what do we do???

Kwek00 · 41-45, M

@newjaninev2 I'm on to how these people think... because it's part of the phenomena in human society that I have a disgust for. Not only is it emotial and irrational, it's also extremely destructive. It's the same thinking you find with every genocide. But if you want to subscribe to it... go ahead, good luck... but keep it out of my backyard.

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@newjaninev2 [quote]https://theintercept.com/2023/10/11/israel-hamas-disinformation/[/quote]