Palestinian death toll rises to 1500.

This in a few days of bombs and missiles into civilian areas. This is before the ground offensive starts and before or the health system collapses. Two things that are about to happen.

This is likely to result in tens of thousands of deaths and many more due to starvation and disease. This is before we get to life changing injuries, which will be tens of thousands again.

I'm not shedding a tear for the Hama's fighters who targeted civilians but I am for everyone else. If a whole population must be made collectively responsible for the actions of their government then, well I deserve to die. By logical extension, I must be responsible for the Iraq war, Brexit and all the poverty caused by Tory austerity policies.

Do we value all lives equally? If we do, then we should be all be condemning the actions of the Israeli state.

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Bumbles · 51-55, M

War is a horrible thing, but Israel has a right to destroy Hamas. These deaths are tragic, but Hamas must never be permitted sanctuary again.

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@Bumbles If it's plan involved thousands of innocent deaths, it has no right.

Bumbles · 51-55, M

@Burnley123 You're referring to intention. You also know Hamas uses human shields.

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@Bumbles I honestly don't think the Israeli military distinguished much between different Palestinians. Their bombs don't either.

Even if the intension was just about getting the perpetrators, killing ten times as many people as them is not morally defensible justice.

Bumbles · 51-55, M

@Burnley123 What do you think about the Allied bombing campaigns over Germany in WW2 (minus Dresden)?

lumberjackslam · 41-45, M

@Bumbles 💯

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@Bumbles Minus Dresden is a big caveat. If we are talking about the bombing of cities then I'm against it. For one thing, the war was already won. The Brits especially wanted revenge for the blitz. Military targets are different

Bumbles · 51-55, M

@Burnley123 If your position is never to bomb/shell cities where civilians are, so be it. Military targets are not always so separate, of course, as is the case in Gaza.

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@Bumbles I'm generally a dove anyway. I never said never bomb cities. I've given an answe on the current situation and your hand picked historical one. This is getting pretty abstract.