Palestinian death toll rises to 1500.

This in a few days of bombs and missiles into civilian areas. This is before the ground offensive starts and before or the health system collapses. Two things that are about to happen.

This is likely to result in tens of thousands of deaths and many more due to starvation and disease. This is before we get to life changing injuries, which will be tens of thousands again.

I'm not shedding a tear for the Hama's fighters who targeted civilians but I am for everyone else. If a whole population must be made collectively responsible for the actions of their government then, well I deserve to die. By logical extension, I must be responsible for the Iraq war, Brexit and all the poverty caused by Tory austerity policies.

Do we value all lives equally? If we do, then we should be all be condemning the actions of the Israeli state.

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Diotrephes · 70-79, M

@Burnley123 The goal is to not have peace but to have destruction so that the
Palestinians will be forced to leave the Levant. After all, the biblical claim is that all of the land from the Nile River to the Euphrates belongs to the Jews. The people in Gaza could soon be exterminated if they don't get water and food. And there's no obvious way to rebuild their infrastructure.

JSul3 · 70-79

@Diotrephes Isn't the bible great? /s

Diotrephes · 70-79, M

@JSul3 [quote]Isn't the bible great? /s[/quote]
It's great for teaching evil.

LeopoldBloom · M

@Diotrephes And Hamas wants a judenrein Middle East “from the river to the sea.” But you support that.

JSul3 · 70-79

@LeopoldBloom No. Hamas is radical terrorist Suni.....but not all Palestinians are Hamas, in fact the majority are not. They simply want their own free state, just like Israel has.

Diotrephes · 70-79, M

@LeopoldBloom [quote]And Hamas wants a judenrein Middle East “from the river to the sea.” But you support that.[/quote]

It would be great if both sides were not evil. If I was still in the military and sent to the area to actively fight on the Israel side, I would say ____ it and gladly face a firing squad. Is that supporting "a judenrein Middle East?"

LeopoldBloom · M

@Diotrephes Purely hypothetical as Americans won't be sent to fight on the Israeli side. Politicians in both parties know there's no support for that. The only way Americans fight is if we're attacked directly.

Diotrephes · 70-79, M

@LeopoldBloom What I am concerned about is that this is a trap. We are sending over top-of-the line warships for no good reason. And just yesterday the Ukrainians hit a new Russian missile ship with a new type of drone. It is easy to attack warships with drones.

[b][i]Russian warship seriously damaged in Ukrainian naval drone strike at Black Sea base
[/i][/b]
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukraine-russia-novorossisysk-naval-drone-attack-1.6928208

[b][i]Russia has only 9 such ships left: characteristics of the Buyan-M carrier blown up in Sevastopol[/i][/b]
https://fakty.com.ua/en/svit/20231013-u-rf-lyshylos-lyshe-9-takyh-korabliv-harakterystyky-pidirvanogo-u-sevastopoli-nosiya-kalibriv-buyan-m/

How will the US react if our warships are sunk? Remember, Israel has alread attacked one before.

JSul3 · 70-79

@Diotrephes If a US ship is sunk. WW3...or at least US vs Hamas and anybody that wants to join in.
If Russia, then Ukraine gets major US backing.

LeopoldBloom · M

@Diotrephes Israel attacked the Liberty because it was broadcasting Israeli troop movements to the Egyptians. Interestingly, President Johnson called back two air support groups that attempted to assist the Liberty. It's possible that Johnson wanted the Israelis to sink it, so he could blame it on the Egyptians and give the US a reason to enter the war. Israel didn't need US help at that point as they had captured the Sinai the same day.

The only trap will be Hamas using the hostages to lure Israeli soldiers into positions where they can ambush them. I assume the Israelis are aware of this. If the Iranians are foolish enough to attack our carrier group, we will be at war with them, not Hamas. However, I'm sure Iran is more than happy to have Hamas do its dirty work.

Diotrephes · 70-79, M

@LeopoldBloom We shall soon see.

LeopoldBloom · M

@Diotrephes We already saw.