David ben gurions own words

@GailCob Exactly, I didn’t find any verification of this quote, nor does it ring true.

@GailCob he said it to Nahum Goldmann in 1953

@Guitarman123 Goldman made the claim Ben Gurion said this five years after Ben Gurion died. No one else heard it, and it flies in the face of what Ben Gurion stood for.

All reliable sources say it is most likely false.

@tigard only those who seek to justify zionism

@Guitarman123 Well, there's nothing wrong with justifying Zionism, but, you haven't provided any citations to prove what you've said. It's only your word...

@tigard only of you support their decades long treatment of Palestine

@Guitarman123 It's important to separate the concept of Zionism with the politics of what has been happening. I don't agree with everything Israel does, but 75 years of aggression against them, over seven decades of constant attacks, may make one's perspective change.

Keep in mind, Egypt, not Israel had control of Gaza for the first 19 years. Then Israel took control to limit a point of attack. They unilaterally left Gaza, along with all the Israel's in 2004. In return, the Gazans voted in Hamas, a known terrorist group who has it in their charter that their goal is the elimination of Israel and the murder of all Jewish persons.

@tigard its the concept of zionism that's caused this conflict to occur. Israel was treating Palestine horrifically long before hamas was a thing. 75 years of occupying Palestine and trying to rid Palestinians from their homes is why they ended up in the arms of hamas

@Guitarman123 They ended up in the arms of Hamas because the PLO was corrupt. They didn't know how corrupt Hamas was, too.

Having Arab nations attack you for 75 years, committed to 'driving you into the sea' is difficult to deal with.

And not to infest your agenda with fact, but Israel didn't occupy any territory for it's first 19 years, and hasn't occupied Gaza for the past 18 years.

@tigard they were ethnically cleansing Palestine after the war and have occupied Palestine since the late 60s. They still occupy them now and have currently cut off resources to gaza

@Guitarman123 Which war, the war of 1947-48, in which the Arab nations attacked, when Israel hadn't yet been formed?
Again, Israel hasn't occupied Gaza since 2004.
Resources of course could come in via Egypt.

@tigard ww2, sure you've heard of it. Israel had formed by zionists who wanted to establish colonisation over the Palestinian people. If someone attempted to invade your home, i doubt you'd give them a hug and a kiss

@Guitarman123 The problem with your propaganda is the area was still under British control after WWII.
As I'm sure you know, but don't want to acknowledge, the UN annulled the British mandate, allowing GB to set forth the establishment of a Jewish state and a Palestinian state. The day after the UN vote, Egypt took over Gaza, Jordan took over the West Bank and Syria took over the Golan Heights, all with the intention of using those areas as military staging zone to attack Israel and 'drive Israel into the sea,' a refrain still used by Hamas.
Those areas were supposed to be Palestine. It was the Arab countries which didn't allow the establishment of a Palestinian nation.

@tigard after ww2 the united nations instead of giving Palestine independence, they told them to share the lands with israel which Palestine turned down because they didn't want to share their land with settlers. Early jews who lived in Palestine in around 1882 were actually welcomed by the arabs and lived there peacefully. Its only when zionists made their intentions to invade the land clear that Palestine started showing signs of resistance. Actually England gave such responsibility to the united nations who like i said told Palestine to share their land with people of israel. Again, it was the zionists such as david ben gurion who put into preparation the ethnic cleansing of Palestine as they had greater military resources. Palestine simply wanted to be able to live on their lands in peace and independently pf England or the united nations

@Guitarman123 Ethnic cleansing...lol.
The Zionist concept does not exclude non-Jews from living there with full benefits.

There was no Palestine. That area was a colony of Great Britain, and as such, GB, along with the UN was in a position to say "we're going to keep this area as a British colony," or "we're going to facilitate the establishment of two new countries in this area." It's important to recognize that GB didn't give away Palestinian property to the Jewish state; they transferred governance of the area to what would become Israel. Similarly, the intention was to transfer governance of another section of that land to the Palestinian people, but as I said above, because of the land grab of the adjacent Arab countries, that never happened.

@tigard it really does. They have no place for anybody who doesn't follow zionism. Sorry, but their was a Palestine that was under occupation by england prior to the uk putting the decision of what to do with Palestine and israel to the united nations. It was the united nations that told Palestinians to share the lands with israel amd that eventually lead to zionists ethnically cleansing the people of Palestine by destroying hundreds of villages and forcibly evacuating innocent men, women and children who already lived on the lands. Palestine was never promised its own land and zionists believed that they we're entitled to commit the actions they did because god promised them the land