David ben gurions own words

@LeopoldBloom they were never offered their own land. They were told as were tje Israelis to share the lands with each other. The state of israel only became a state just after ww2. This "doctorine" of which you speak is a mere projection. Palestinians were angry that they were told to share lands that they'd lived on for hundreds of years.

@LeopoldBloom Palestinians were responsible for European antisemitism? Wtf are you talking about? Hitler was not Palestinian and he just wanted the Jews out of europe. It had nothing to do with the Palestinians. A lot of people on this thread are going to get blocked from me. 🖕🏿
The Palestinians wish Hitler didn’t do what he did to the Jews, believe me.

@Guitarman123 The original UN partition plan would have created a Jewish and Palestinian homeland. And they had already been sharing that land with Jews for centuries. At least, some of them had. Many Palestinians today are descended from people who emigrated there at the same time European Jews began arriving and developing the area.

Regardless, Jewish Israelis have lived there for a while now and deserve their own country. It's obvious that the Palestinians aren't even close to agreeing to any form of power-sharing. What's interesting is with all the hand-wringing over the Palestinian situation, no one seems to care about the Chinese oppressing the Uyghurs and placing them in concentration camps (real ones, not "open air prisons"). The Chinese don't even have the excuse that the Uyghurs pose any existential risk to their continued existence. But no Jews are involved, so it's irrelevant.

@LeopoldBloom its obvious that Israel considers Palestinians as less than human and don't see the horrid mistreatment and apartheid is wrong

@LeopoldBloom The people supporting the Ukraine aren’t mentioning them, either.

Surely you’re not saying "we can’t worry about anybody unless we worry about everybody" ?

Because that’s never been how things have worked. 🙁

@LeopoldBloom Excellent comments.

@SW-User @LeopoldBloom did not say Palestinians were responsible for European antisemitism. Hitler wanted the Jews out of Europe. He was considering sending them to some island or Africa. The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was a fan of Hitler. He flew to Germany and met with him. It was actually the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem who gave Hitler the idea to kill all the Jews, instead of exiling them. Hitler took his advice.
What LeopoldBloom said was, if you believe in collective guilt, then the Palestinians, because of their leader, are responsible for European antisemitism.

While it was a Palestinian leader who gave Hitler the idea of mass genocide of Jews, and certainly was antisemitic himself, I don't agree that passes on to the Palestinians, and Leopold didn't really say it did.

@tigard That’s been the latest rhetoric to lessen Hitler’s evil. The "Final Solution" and the concentration camps established throughout the 30s had various Nazi authors. So while the Mufti was also virulently antisemitic, he didn’t have to sell Hitler on genocide.

@Guitarman123 And Hamas sees Jews as less than human and wants to obliterate them. They're not virtuous just because they're the underdog.

@bijouxbroussard I agree, it's unrealistic to expect equal attention to everything. It's not antisemitic to criticize Israel, but it is antisemitic to hold Israel to a unique standard. That being said, the situation in Xinjiang has been relatively stable, while what's happening in Gaza is a huge change from the status quo. If Hamas hadn't attacked on Oct. 7, leading to the IDF retaliation, I doubt if Israel would be getting even close to the attention it is now. So maybe now isn't the time to complain about disparate treatment. I'm sure if the situation in Xinjiang had suddenly escalated last month, people would be paying special attention to it. Same with people ignoring Russian hostilities in Ukraine for years until they actually invaded. And now Ukraine has been pushed off the front pages.

However, there definitely is an undercurrent of holding Israel to a unique standard. Even before Oct. 7, I routinely heard buzzwords like "apartheid," "concentration camp," "open-air prison," and "genocide," even though those terms aren't accurate in Israel's case and apply better to other countries. Or questioning Israel's right to exist while not questioning any other country's right to exist.

@tigard Thank you. I never said the Grand Mufti or Palestinians were responsible for the Holocaust. There's still a question of whether the Grand Mufti was genuinely a homicidal antisemite, or simply working toward an advantage for his own people. However, Arab hostility to Jewish immigration was one reason why the British limited it during the Mandate, when it could have saved the lives of many European Jews when Hitler was still willing to expel them rather than murder them.

As for him giving Hitler the idea for the Holocaust, I wouldn't put that on him. While it's true that Hitler did initially propose relocating the Jews of Europe to Madagascar or Uganda, this was never a serious proposal that he could have carried out. His inspiration for the Holocaust, in his own words, was the Armenian genocide, which gave him the idea for both carrying out the "final solution" and also that he could get away with it the way the Turks had gotten away with what they did to the Armenians.

Hitler was also inspired by the Native American reservation system, which along with the treatment of the Boers in South Africa, suggested the use of concentration camps to collect and neutralize undesirables.

@LeopoldBloom ive never tried to claim hamas are virtuous. Israel sees Palestinians as animals

@LeopoldBloom the zionists see Palestinians as animal's which makes ot easier for them to murder innocents. Ive never once claimed to be pro hamas. Even if hamas did surrender Palestine would still be occupied

@Guitarman123 I've never heard Israeli's/Jewish people refer to Palestinians with the vitriol Palestinians refer to Jews in general.

Btw, Israel has not occupied the Gaza Strip since 2004.

@LeopoldBloom a supporter of Zionism; a person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation in what is now Israel.
"the artist's parents were committed Zionists"

The state of israel sees Palestine as animals which makes it easier to oppress them and force them out of their own homes. If hamas surrendered, Palestine would still be under an apartheid regime. Nothing would be any better for them.

@tigard israel still has control over gaza

@Guitarman123
What are you talking about?

@Guitarman123

Simply repeating your claptrap over and over again doesn't make it true.

Israel has to fight for its life because neither Hamas, nor Hezbollah, nor Iran is interested in a two-state solution, only the one-state solution shown below.

@Guitarman123 Are you honestly mistaken, of just spewing more terrorist propaganda?
Israel has not had control over Gaza since 2004.

@Thinkerbell and Palestine doesn't have rights to live independently from israel or hamas?

@tigard yet the checkpoints still exist. Yet israel has cut off electricity, medical aid, food and water to gaza

@Guitarman123


First Israel has to get the Gazans independent of Hamas, since the Gazans can't (or won't) do it themselves.

Then Israel and the Palestinian Arabs can talk about a two-state solution.

@Thinkerbell first israel needs to end zionism amd begin peace talks