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Israeli forces handing out "medical supplies" to a hospital in Gaza...

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It's like they don't even care about the quality of their propaganda anymore. 🥲 And yet I bet a whole bunch of people will fall for it anyway, just like that list of Hamas officers that turned out to be the days of the week.

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pancakeslam · 46-50, M
But the Palestinian government Hamas started the war. In most wars each side treats its own wounded. But their government uses them as human shields and nobody complains because people aren't so much anti-Palestinian deaths as they are anti-Israel. Don't forget a terror group launched a rocket into their own hospital and nobody said much. Go ahead and give them empty boxes, they'll condemn whatever is done no matter what.
@pancakeslam
- Hamas escalated the war. Israel continued occupying Palestina during the relative peace long before that.
- I've seen plenty of complaints about that and have complained about that plenty myself.
- Whether or not Israel is obliged to provide aid is irrelevant. They are claiming to do so but not showing any of it.
- I value Israeli and Palestinian lives equally, which is why I condemn Israel and Hamas equally for doing the same thing.
pancakeslam · 46-50, M
@NerdyPotato well I'm not sure what you mean by occupying Gaza when there when Israel stopped occupying Gaza in 2005. Also, even if it was true... putting babies in ovens and raping, murdering etc., are just evil acts without any justification ever.
@pancakeslam I said Palestina, not Gaza. Murdering innocent Israeli civilians is unacceptable indeed, but murdering innocent Palestinian civilians puts Israel and supporters of their tactics on the same level.

Israeli technology and fighting techniques are used by intelligence agencies, police and military everywhere because it's the best in the world, and we should believe the only way they can deal with Hamas members is by leveling the entire buildings those hide in? I don't buy it. Palestinian civilian casualties are not unavoidable collateral damage, but a goal in itself and Israel is no better than Hamas.
pancakeslam · 46-50, M
@NerdyPotato Israel is purposely targeting the terrorist government and fighters and sometimes civilians are in the way. Sadly that's the way wars are fought. it's necessary to defeat the other side and in this case end the suffering of the hostages to who are being kept in terrible conditions while preserving the most Israeli lives, which would be the goal of most sane countries
@pancakeslam do you honestly believe they'd use the same methods if Hamas were hiding in Israel and the civilians who were in the way were Israelian? Because I believe they'd still find ways to fight Hamas but without so many civilian casualties then.

Bombing hospitals has never been necessary to fight any enemy in any war. That's why some people consider that a war crime. That means it objectively is, but a lot of people seem to turn a blind eye to it because the other party is doing bad things too.
pancakeslam · 46-50, M
@NerdyPotato no that's not what I'm saying. what I'm saying is that you cannot back up your statement that "Israel is purposely murdering Palestinians." If you can, using some source that isn't biased go ahead.
@pancakeslam I don't need a source, just reasoning. Why are they bombing civilians in areas where Hamas isn't operating? Why don't they use different tactics if you agree they would if it had played out in their own country?
pancakeslam · 46-50, M
@NerdyPotato I'm not sure that's a good comparison because one is their own backyard but Gaza is foreign and not run by Israel. From what I heard, fighting Hamas building to building would be very costly in terms of casualties. I'm sure the Israelis know that telling civilians to leave and reducing areas to rubble will reduce their own casualties overall.
@pancakeslam "it's not ours" is the whole point. They don't care because it's not their country.
pancakeslam · 46-50, M
@NerdyPotato of course their own objectives and citizens come first but they made some attempt to reduce civilian casualties in order to win the war
@pancakeslam very little effort though. A 10 minute warning to evacuate a hospital with immovable patients? Not very helpful.
pancakeslam · 46-50, M
@NerdyPotato OK. I honestly don't know what you're talking about.
strait46 · 46-50, M
@pancakeslam i agree with you that Israel's own objectives and citizens come first, but also amazing how israel themselves give and not just "rely on red cross."
pancakeslam · 46-50, M
@strait46 absolutely. no credit is given for that.
@strait46 if they have given help, I absolutely agree. But there's no sign of them doing that.