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Israel and Palestine

I wanna stand for people who are dying in Palestine but i am a Christian we are supposed to pray for Israel and i believe in jews more than i believe in Islam and i dont know what to stand for in this situation. My muslim friends are hurt that i haven't posted anything about palestine. I don't know what to do.
ArtieKat · M
My advice would be not to take sides at all.
Your question unleashed all the anti-Israel and (hiding underneath) anti-semitic useful idiots on this site.
Istrael was attacked in the most barbaric, terrorist and bloodthirty (literally bloodthirsty) way by Hamas. Unspeakable horrors were committed. Below is the WSJ editorial on it with descriptions of some of them.
[b]Hamas Puts Its Pogrom on Video
The scenes of Oct. 7 explain why this Israeli defensive war is different: It’s about Jewish survival[/b].
By
The Editorial Board (10/28)

No one at Friday’s screening in New York of the raw footage of Hamas’s atrocities during its Oct. 7 invasion of Israel will forget what they saw. The journalist next to us, at the Israeli consulate in New York, was crying. Mouths seemed to hang open, even after the rampage recorded by jubilant Hamas terrorists on their GoPros had ended, and Israeli officials tried to make sense of what we saw.

Why did the Hamas men, upon confronting the dead body of a teenage girl, start cheering? Why did they argue over who would get to decapitate a Thai guest worker they had shot, then proclaim “Allahu akbar” with every swing at his neck?

“Allahu akbar,” meaning “God is most great,” was on their lips over and over as they shot defenseless civilians, dragged corpses and pumped round after round into the dead. There it was again on the terrorists’ return to Gaza, “Allahu akbar” coming from crowds as a Hamas man pulled by the hair a battered hostage with pants bloodied around her groin.

This isn’t Palestinian nationalism, or a proper understanding of Islam. This is nihilistic jihad. “Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it,” Hamas’s founding covenant declares. “The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.”

One of the Hamas men called his parents using the phone of a murdered Israeli woman, unable to contain his pride. “Put Mom on the phone,” he said. “Your son is a hero. . . . I killed 10 Jews with my own hands!” The phone recorded the call, so we can know his goal: “victory or martyrdom.”

Some Hamas men took their time to execute a terrified woman after cornering her and shining a flashlight on her face. One raided the fridge in front of the young children he had just wounded with a grenade that killed their father and brother. During the music-festival massacre, a terrorist paused to put a bullet through each of the porta-potties, one by one, lest a single girl escape.

There were also the shell-shocked faces, heavy breathing and stopped cries of young women hiding in bunkers and dumpsters, knowing they weren’t going to survive. Then came the photos: piles of bodies, bloodied and mutilated, babies burned, families burned together, some with hands tied.

The point of the screening, explained Aviv Ezra, Israel’s acting consul general, was to show that “this isn’t more of the same.” If you followed previous Gaza wars, you know what he means. Already Israel’s response has been subject to the same cries of moral equivalence, the same demands for a premature cease-fire, the same perversion of international law from its post-Holocaust purpose.

But there’s a difference this time. “There is no political solution with Hamas,” Mr. Ezra said, not after Oct. 7. Hamas in Gaza now “threatens the basic contract between Israel’s government and its citizens,” the never-again clause that Israel is a safe haven for the Jews.

As Israel continues its just and necessary defense against Hamas in Gaza and around the world, its citizens will not forget the Hamas-recorded images of Oct. 7. Neither should the rest of us.
@Zeusdelight Israel is doing what it has to do and is doing its best to avoid unnecessary civilian casualties. But it was Hamas that brought this on and the Palestinians should rise p agains them.
Your impudent, childish manner does you no credit at all.
Zeusdelight · 61-69, M
@LamontCranston In your view there are necessary children casualties. Amazing!

What evidence do you have that Israel is doing its best to avoid child casualties?

I have asked for the basis of your expertise and you have provided none. Perhaps if you answered the question I would give you the respect you so earnestly desire.

I have treated you better than you have treated anyone on these posts.
@LamontCranston [c=359E00]die israel civilian lol [/c]
assemblingaknob · 26-30, F
"Supposed to"?
Just read a book by an unbiased historian to know the truth of the situation and make up your own mind.

Ilan Pappé is an Israeli historian. Maybe read something by him?

I just dug a little into basic history and learnt that the Romans drove the Jews out a long time ago. Then around and after ww1, the Jewish diaspora created the Zionist movement, which was materialised during and right at the end of ww2, displacing Palestinians to camps in the outskirts of their bordering arab countries.
The anger of the displaced people led to the emergence of Guerilla groups. And these Guerilla groups then started retaliatory strikes to try get their land back, and the whole Palestinian nation shamed for it by the Zionists and the US.

Then over the decades emerged videos of Israeli settlers taking over Palestinian homes overnight. These are well documented in video form as well and can be found on YouTube. These videos were never or rarely covered by western news channels even though they were recorded by western journalists and camera crew, many of those that even died in the conflicts.

The traditional Jewish diaspora does not support the Zionist movement, and you will see many protests in the US by them against the actions of Natenyahu.

I do have a few books on my to read list, including the one by ilan pappe. And another on the 6 day war. Actually 2 on the 6 day war. Both with differing view points.
SW-User
@assemblingaknob We could all go back further. To mythic stories in the Bible being taken as actual historical truth......

"Yahweh (or whoever) gave the land to Israel, therefore it's ours by right."
Renaci · 36-40
@SW-User Yahweh according to the bible stole a land that was already occupied. God breaks his own commandment not to steal. But he gets away with it because he has the power to do so. Doesn't mean he is morally right. That is something his power can't do.
BlueVeins · 22-25
As far as I'm concerned, any government which displaces and kills people on the scale that the Israeli government does is malignant and needs to be deposed. Pray for the Israeli people, but the settlement building in the West Bank & the blockade of Gaza are both clearly war crimes and they must be not only undone, but repented for, to both God and the Palestinians.

Hamas is nothing more than an Islamic terrorist group which feeds on Palestinians' impotent anger of their own oppressors and turns it into ethnic hatred and martyrdom. Most of the people who Hamas kills are innocent (or at the very least, not so guilty as to deserve death), and it's good to pray for them. The Israeli state deliberately propped them up, and now they're using them as a pretext to murder thousands.
Zeusdelight · 61-69, M
@LamontCranston Your comment is an article copied and pasted from the Media. You then extol the presence of a video at the time of or soon after the attack. Have you any actual expertise in the area? You seem to be happy to say someone's view or opinion is crap. What is the basis of that view?
@Zeusdelight If you want to defend Blue Veins statement , go ahead and try. What special expertise does one need? The fact is that the Hamas terrorists actually videoed much of their horrific acts. The Journal editorial summarized some of what has been seen.
The scale of the Oct. 7 terrorism relative to a country the size of Israel was enormous. All B.V. did was repeat the tropes of anti-Israel, anti-Jew hatred.
Zeusdelight · 61-69, M
@LamontCranston And all you did was repeat an article supporting anti-Palestinain hatred.

I actually thought the problem here was Hamas, not the Palestinian people. But you probably don't know enough history of the area to demarc between them.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
You don't have to stand for either side. I sure don't. This war will never be resolved.
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“Supposed to”? Israel doesn’t always follow God’s will. I’m not going to form an opinion on the situation out there right now, but you don’t have to take sides. And all the people effected by what’s going on there right now can be prayed for. 🤷🏻‍♀️
Zeusdelight · 61-69, M
Christians are not meant to pray for any particular race or religion. They are meant to pray that the Will of God will be present.

Is it just that two warring entities are killing innocent people in both countries?
Ontheroad · M
As far as I am concerned, neither is right and neither is wrong, but what is wrong, is that innocent civilians are dying. The land belongs to both and what has to happen is that both sides need to get to the table and decide how to peacefully end this crap.

Hamas/the Palestine Authority needs to cease all terrorist or hostile activities and so does the government of Israel.

Then there needs to be a peace treaty signed, and all Western nations need to get together and demand this.
InHeaven · F
...you praying for this IsraHell created by Rothschild...the synagogue of satan? Good luck with that...
Umm take it or leave it Wars are ugly and no one knows whose side to take. Half the time the innocent folks no nothing and better believe it the powers and principalities are the ones to blame. And so yes, you might be right in being confused. I guess people who watch the news are smart, and they actually can figure out deep stuff like motives and other stuff.
SW-User
1) muslims believe in jesus and mary
they love them while jews don't

2) there are muslims & christians in palestine

3) israel bombed the greek orthodox church in gaza last week

4) its not a matter of religion

5) u are not supposed to do anything
Zeusdelight · 61-69, M
@SW-User "muslims believe in jesus and mary"
they love them while jews don't" The Jewish ci\omment is ridiculously wrong.
SW-User
correct me then?

@Zeusdelight
HannahSky · F
You're allowed to care about all people.
SW-User
Who do you think God stands for?
Zonuss · 41-45, M
Stand for justice and fairness.
Never put one over the other.
Stand up for [b]all.[/b]
smiler2012 · 56-60
@Number5 instead of pandering too being scared hurting others feelings why do you not look at the whole situation and then form an opinion that is based on your own gut instinct
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smiler2012 · 56-60
@HootyTheNightOwl sad in a way that is necessary as you cannot be honest and candid over your thoughts and opinions without being shouted down over them
Renaci · 36-40
Surrpoting Israel is not a Christian command. It is a evangelical church command. Because the existence of Israel is a prophetic requirement for Jesus to return and start the apocalypse. Also surrpoting Israel is not free of antisemitism as many Christians love Israel but hate Jews.

But Jesus or God gives no commands for supporting any nation. He does say to render under Cesar what is his and God's what is God's. And Israel was under roman occupation at the time.

He also states the greatest commandment is to love God and each other. The bible also says that love covers a multitude of sins as it was the love of Jesus that death the gates of hell when he gave up his life to save another. And no one has greater love than one who would lay down their life for another.

Also God is described as synonymous with love and those who don't have love do not have God. So make sure you are following love. Not "God". Because religion has twisted the word God to mean whatever they want it to mean at any particular time.

I would suggest learning more about the history of the entire area and how one thing led to another in a row of dominoes that go back into prehistory. Because this seems to be a war that was happening even before the existence of writing no one will ever really know who threw the first blow. At this point the problem is endemic to the area.

I would also suggest to be extremely careful about "christian" sources as religion attracts evil people as they are attracted to the position of authority and power. There is a movement in some christian circles of deconstruction which is a re-examinination of faith and rejecting old ideas that are of no use or harmful to the person or the world as a whole.
There are Christians in Palestine too
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
I stand only with the civilians of Gaza and Israel. I do not support Hamas or the IDF.

As to Christianity, why was there no Christian outcry worldwide when Armenians were subjected to ethnic cleansing last month by Azerbaijan? Armenia is the first nation to have accepted Christianity. Azerbaijan ethnically cleansed the indigenous Armenian Christians of Artsakh with Israeli and Turkish provided drones and munitions.
@basilfawlty89 That's a good question.
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Analia · 22-25, F
@BlueVeins Is that a justification for genocide?
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OliRos · 18-21, F
@Analia Numbskull!

 
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