A punch in the eye of God [I Love Israel]

I believe that God CHOSE Israel as the "apple of His eye" to tell them that they will endure much hardship, injustice and hatred/jealousy for it. And that He would be with them and make them prosper as He has.

I just think that when the news tells of how horrible the Israeli's are for having to respond to repeated shelling from the Gaza strip; they are not holding the other side accountable for provoking their own problems. If you ask me, they are looking to start a war to justify taking the land and erasing Israel from the face of the earth.

Israel and Israel's are no more perfect than you and me. But I would not mess with them, they still exist and are thriving and the P are crying and complaining about how badly they are treated, while they are the ones who are so savage and unkind to the Israeli's when Israel welcomes, heals and feeds them even.

Am Israel Chai

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SomeMichGuy · M

Huh?

I *do* think that Arafat did a huge disservice to his Palestinian countrymen when he rejected the best peace deal they was likely to ever get...

But the Israelis have treated the Palestinians VERY badly. I am surprised that you are unaware of this, as it has been reported, some, though American TV has often been a bit pro-Israel.

The covenant with Abram/Abraham still stands, of course, but if God is to bless them, we can certainly let *Him* do that work, which He gladly accepted & offered. We do not have to do such things for Him. In fact, my own definition of sin is when people usurp the prerogatives of God.

Northwest · M

@SomeMichGuy [quote]I *do* think that Arafat did a huge disservice to his Palestinian countrymen when he rejected the best peace deal they was likely to ever get...[/quote]

As popular as this theory may be, it is not really historically accurate. An agreement was reached between Arafat and Rabin, and Rabin was well on his way to fully implement it, with full support from the people, when he got assassinated. This is one of those cases where a single assassination changed the course of history.

[quote]But the Israelis have treated the Palestinians VERY badly. I am surprised that you are unaware of this, as it has been reported, some, though American TV has often been a bit pro-Israel.[/quote]

It is not Israelis, it is the Netanyahu government, which gains power, through the injected votes of settlers arriving from North America, to claim the land God "gave" them. 60% of the West Bank is in Zone c, where Israel has full administrative control.

There's quite a bit more to this than what gets reported.

SomeMichGuy · M

@Northwest Sorry, your timeline is off. Rabin was assassinated about 5 yrs before Arafat rejected the deal offered him at Camp David in 2000 (w/PM E. Barak).

Arafat was still negotiating up to that point, and seemingly in good faith. It was the rejection of *that* deal which made it seem, to me (and others) that Arafat was never really serious about settling. Being the outsider, the rebel, etc., for so long...it seemed that he didn't know how to simply be a normal leader & meet about water lines, sewage, etc.

(Hmmm...reminiscent of the Republicans getting so used to being the party of no, that--even when given power--they have no ideas, solutions, etc.)

Northwest · M

@SomeMichGuy [quote]Sorry, your timeline is off. Rabin was assassinated about 5 yrs before Arafat rejected the deal offered him at Camp David in 2000 (w/PM E. Barak).

Arafat was still negotiating up to that point, and seemingly in good faith. It was the rejection of *that* deal which made it seem, to me (and others) that Arafat was never really serious about settling. Being the outsider, the rebel, etc., for so long...it seemed that he didn't know how to simply be a normal leader & meet about water lines, sewage, etc.[/quote]

There's nothing wrong with my timeline, and I did not say anything about the Barak/Arafat Camp David summit, or their summit at the Élysée Palace in Paris, chaperoned by Madeleine Albright.

I'm talking about post the Oslo Accord agreement, where Rabin decided to take the helm and make a bold move, by agreeing with Arafat on a deal accepted to both parties, announced by Rabin, who called for a peace rally on Nov 4, 1995, which turned out to be attended by more than 1 Million Israelis,, the largest peace rally since the 1982 Lebanon invasion. He was assassinated that same night, killing the Oslo Accords residual agreement.

What followed was years of stagnation, with Israeli politicians, making modifications, thinking that a partial is still better than a no-deal. Arafat, as corrupt as he was, was not authorized to accept what was offered at that time.

The devil is in the details, and the Israeli PR machine, along with the Clinton OR machine (he was looking for a win for the history books), made it sound as if it would be stupid for the Palestinians to accept the "perfect" deal. They also thought that Arafat can accept a deal, Arab-style. He probably would have, but he did not have the authorization to do it. Not after he thought he had a deal with Rabin.

The opportunity for an acceptable and fair deal was lost the night Rabin was assassinated. From that point on, the focus has always been on the "percentage" of a deal that could be reached, when everyone is well aware that this is not possible, and the only way to impose it, is occupation style, kind of like the thing Kushner was trying to imposes on Palestinians.