A punch in the eye of God [I Love Israel]

@Carazaa

To which prophesy do you refer?

The modern state of Israel was created by the UN.

@SomeMichGuy [quote]1 For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. 12 Then you will call on me and come and pray to me, and I will listen to you. 13 You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart. 14 I will be found by you,” declares the Lord, “and will bring you back from captivity.[b] I will gather you from all the nations and places where I have banished you,” declares the Lord, “and will bring you back to the place from which I carried you into exile.”

15 You may say, “The Lord has raised up prophets for us in Babylon,” 16 but this is what the Lord says about the king who sits on David’s throne and all the people who remain in this city, your fellow citizens who did not go with you into exile— 17 yes, this is what the Lord Almighty says: “I will send the sword, famine and plague against them and I will make them like figs that are so bad they cannot be eaten. 18 I will pursue them with the sword, famine and plague and will make them abhorrent to all the kingdoms of the earth, a curse[c] and an object of horror, of scorn and reproach, among all the nations where I drive them. 19 For they have not listened to my words,” declares the Lord, “words that I sent to them again and again by my servants the prophets. And you exiles have not listened either,” declares the Lord.Jer 29[/quote]

@Carazaa They *were* brought back from the captivity during which Jeremiah was prophet. They were allowed to go back & even rebuild the Temple (creating the Second Temple, cf. Ezra).

That prophecy is not mentioning a Messiah and certainly not the "second coming".

@Northwest Lmao

@SomeMichGuy [quote]I *do* think that Arafat did a huge disservice to his Palestinian countrymen when he rejected the best peace deal they was likely to ever get...[/quote]

As popular as this theory may be, it is not really historically accurate. An agreement was reached between Arafat and Rabin, and Rabin was well on his way to fully implement it, with full support from the people, when he got assassinated. This is one of those cases where a single assassination changed the course of history.

[quote]But the Israelis have treated the Palestinians VERY badly. I am surprised that you are unaware of this, as it has been reported, some, though American TV has often been a bit pro-Israel.[/quote]

It is not Israelis, it is the Netanyahu government, which gains power, through the injected votes of settlers arriving from North America, to claim the land God "gave" them. 60% of the West Bank is in Zone c, where Israel has full administrative control.

There's quite a bit more to this than what gets reported.

@Northwest Sorry, your timeline is off. Rabin was assassinated about 5 yrs before Arafat rejected the deal offered him at Camp David in 2000 (w/PM E. Barak).

Arafat was still negotiating up to that point, and seemingly in good faith. It was the rejection of *that* deal which made it seem, to me (and others) that Arafat was never really serious about settling. Being the outsider, the rebel, etc., for so long...it seemed that he didn't know how to simply be a normal leader & meet about water lines, sewage, etc.

(Hmmm...reminiscent of the Republicans getting so used to being the party of no, that--even when given power--they have no ideas, solutions, etc.)

@SomeMichGuy [quote]Sorry, your timeline is off. Rabin was assassinated about 5 yrs before Arafat rejected the deal offered him at Camp David in 2000 (w/PM E. Barak).

Arafat was still negotiating up to that point, and seemingly in good faith. It was the rejection of *that* deal which made it seem, to me (and others) that Arafat was never really serious about settling. Being the outsider, the rebel, etc., for so long...it seemed that he didn't know how to simply be a normal leader & meet about water lines, sewage, etc.[/quote]

There's nothing wrong with my timeline, and I did not say anything about the Barak/Arafat Camp David summit, or their summit at the Élysée Palace in Paris, chaperoned by Madeleine Albright.

I'm talking about post the Oslo Accord agreement, where Rabin decided to take the helm and make a bold move, by agreeing with Arafat on a deal accepted to both parties, announced by Rabin, who called for a peace rally on Nov 4, 1995, which turned out to be attended by more than 1 Million Israelis,, the largest peace rally since the 1982 Lebanon invasion. He was assassinated that same night, killing the Oslo Accords residual agreement.

What followed was years of stagnation, with Israeli politicians, making modifications, thinking that a partial is still better than a no-deal. Arafat, as corrupt as he was, was not authorized to accept what was offered at that time.

The devil is in the details, and the Israeli PR machine, along with the Clinton OR machine (he was looking for a win for the history books), made it sound as if it would be stupid for the Palestinians to accept the "perfect" deal. They also thought that Arafat can accept a deal, Arab-style. He probably would have, but he did not have the authorization to do it. Not after he thought he had a deal with Rabin.

The opportunity for an acceptable and fair deal was lost the night Rabin was assassinated. From that point on, the focus has always been on the "percentage" of a deal that could be reached, when everyone is well aware that this is not possible, and the only way to impose it, is occupation style, kind of like the thing Kushner was trying to imposes on Palestinians.