is a well-travelled statement and it does feel like that it has returned into being. Nothing is of worth any more, not even the gas price nor the life of civilians nor that of one's own military involved in the war. No more wars, no more regime change indeed. I feel strongly too now, but then about the utter stupidity of recent events.
Here's a superpower spending all its military and diplomatic power in a war without an end in sight because they don't even know who's in charge at the other side any more. A war in which the said superpower will have to muddle along now with no real allies except the so-called Spartan in the region. Does anyone remember who actually won the war against the Ancient Persians? Not the city-state of Sparta, no.
But never mind this dumb reasoning yet again. When this war with Iran will continue into the unknown, because we all know that's not going to be over until the people over there will settle scores, just think back to what happened to the author Salman Rushdie. Ayatollah Khomeini issued a fatwa (religious decree) on February 14, 1989, calling for the death of the author. 33 years later Rushdie was stabbed by a 27-year old.
Speaking about surviving the attack, the author stated: "I'm lucky. What I really want to say is that my main overwhelming feeling is gratitude". He lost sight in one eye and the use of one hand. I wish the United States all the luck in the world because I sense that they'll need it. Take care America!
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I'm sorry but you're not understanding it all. This war has been justified for decades. I do mean decades, about a terror-state that the West keeps giving a chance to grow out of it. And they don't. It's LONG overdue.
You're tired of war. I'm sorry. So is everyone, but finishing it and ending the threat is the only way even a temporary peace is achieved. Thank God for President Trump. He sees right through the nonsense, and isn't worried about getting approval from the western elites (even the ones in the US) who have wussied us into this dreadful state.
Even if regime change is not effected - the abilitly of the terror state to continue non-stop attacking the world, Israel, and the US is greatly deprecated.
Finally... main reason no. 2. - if we are going to avoid a kinetic World War III, then it will only be by taking apart the allied dictatorship. That's a fact. Russia and China have already succeeded in neutering Europe, and while Europe has awakened from its self-imposed stupor (we'll see), well it will take a few years to get them back to full strength. So they're hoping the US won't be able to handle a 4-front war (Russia, China, North Korea, and Iran). SO - taking down one of those adversaries (not pontential but actual) goes a long way, towards FIRST - deterring World War III and second, winning if it gets to that.
@val70 I'm neither wrong nor a coward. I served in 5 campaigns myself. Allowing Iran to increase their weapson, in order to have a shield to cover their nuclear program and their terror campaigns, is a suicide pact for the West. If you don't see it - that's ok, others do, and we're taking action. I don't know if Iran will have regime change or get better - but I do know their ability for constant attack will be greatly grealty reduced.
@Djc59 Didn't say that about you. You may be anything you want. It's a free country here just because what happened in the past. It will happen again in the future. No fanatics here
@val70 Sadly, you are correct. However, to anyone listening, not doing something is worse - and would only need to extending a century of war. The President is past that - he's going to end the threat, even if it doesn't fix the place. At least for now.
@Djc59 And with that drum we're back into the mess that we actually got rid off for decades. Stupidity, if you want to deduce it to the one word. It happends yet again. The drum keeps sounding, and stupidity is ruining the world yet again
@val70 I understand your frustration, but... if we manage to avoid WWIII, it will be becuase the President acted now. You're missing that part of the story.
@val70 That doesn't preclude or negate our rationale for destroying their capacity now, and history does tell us that terrorism goes on a cycle... so we have a chance, if we don't hold back, to reduce it very substantially. Remember the Anarchist movements of the 20s and 30s.
@Djc59 Terrorism is something that happens on small scale... one can't hardly defend against that... not against something like what happened to Salman Rushdie... anarchists were political motivated, these will be just fanatics... much more like a secret army than individual activists
@Djc59 The trouble is, you talk about taking apart the "allied dictatorship" but that dictatorship now comprises Russia, Israel and the US. We are in serious trouble.
@Waveney No, it doesn't. You don't have to agree with the US or Israeli governments, to acknowledge they're democracties, and not dictatorships part of that axis.
@Waveney Wrong. The US is a democracy - a democratic republic to be exact. If you're referring to the stolen election of Nov 2020, well the public fixed that in Nov 2024. As for Israel - they have to use force, because force is used against them. This isn't hard logic - it's obvious, historical fact. Thank God too. They are eliminating groups who seek their destruction - and saving us from them as well.
@Waveney No, he's not. The evidence implies otherwise. Can't say the same about the other side.
And this discussion was not about President Trump or the US elections. It's about whether the Iran war is part of a neverending cycle - or necessary to end an extremely dangerous threat, and the even more dangerous China Russia North Korea and Iran Axis - to avoid an actual, global WW III.
Neither the 2020 nor the 2024 election were stolen.
Here is my opinion: Trump is doing everything he can to steal the midterms, and the Republicans are doing everything they can to gerrymander as many districts as possible. Dems are doing that to, but to a far lesser extent.
China, Russia, Iran and North Korea are not bent on causing a global war. However, the US and Israel seem to be doing everything they can to goad us into a full global conflict, and all in the name of keeping Netanyahu in power, and the Epstein files out of the news cycle.
@Waveney You're wrong on almost every count. And the evidence doesn't support your viewpoint (on the 2020 election as well). China and Russia seek world domination without a kinetic war, or... weakening the West and democracies to the point they can win one. It's been obvious for two decades.
You've got to be kidding if you think Epstein files, or keeping Netanyahu in power have any (and I mean any) impact on rationale for this war.
I'm sure you're point of view is well intentioned. But we have to disagree.
