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Power grid common sense (for a while) but it won't last long

My local power station (Eraring) which is very near a much smaller also still operating power station (Vales Point) has now announced it will keep operating until at least 2029 instead of shutting down next year (2027).

Eraring opened in 1984, and is (like Bayswater power station near Muswellbrook) a VLS (Very Large Supplier) of reliable, dependable, frequency-stable AC power created by burning pulverised coal to create steam to drive massive turbines to create electricity that is then fed into the power grid.

There is a very old (closed in 1986) shell of a power station at Wangi. Another one (Munmorah) closed about 10-ish years ago.

The output capacity of Eraring is 2.92 gigawatts. Vales Point is 1.32 gigawatts, while Bayswater is 2.7 gigawatts. The recently closed Liddel power station near Bayswater put out 2 gigawatts, Munmorah was 1.4 gigawatts.

Once Eraring, Vales Point, Bayswater and the only other still operating one (Mt Piper - 1.4 gigawatta) close down there will be no more coal fired baseload power stations in NSW removing over 8 gigawats of reliable frequency-stable AC power supply off the grid.

The four power stations combined supply well over half of the total NSW existing electricity demand, and this is *without* more than a few percent of the population owning electric cars.

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To run smoothly, power grids must not only match supply and demand, but also maintain “system security”, including inertia, which comes from the steady frequency that has traditionally been provided by the spinning turbines of gas, coal and pumped hydro plants.

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WIth solar + wind + big batteries you do *NOT* get grid stability or almost automatic frequency stability regardless of the power factor loading put on the turbine's very large alternators.

You also do *NOT* get 'cheaper energy' by removing these single-source highly integrated energy transformation systems (traditionally coal or gas fired, or hydro) out of the grid infrastructure and replacing those with every second home and every second plugged in to charge EV becoming a micro-battery for the grid.

So-called renewable energy transition plus the implementation of the commercial AEMO wholesale power trading market (like a sharemarket but for energy companies) has already pushed electricity retail prices up by about 50 pct in just a couple of years.
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ShenaniganFoodie · 36-40, M
Power Station - Vales, Eraring, Bayswater, Mt Piper, Colongra, Condong, Bunnerong, Redbank, Lithgow, Etc

Visy, Tumut ( fired on by product of wood pulp ) black liquor

All require 1 think, without it they can't operate.

It's fine for the Government to say, we will keep it open longer BUT without this you can't.

What they don't tell you is,,,,, the water plant will need a 15 millions $$$$$ upgrade for just 2 years ???

Tax payers money wasted
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zonavar68 · 56-60, M
@ShenaniganFoodie I was only considering coal fired ones, of which there are only the four I mentioned still operating.

Redback btw has not been operating for around 10 years and is quite small though it's apparently being converted to burn bio-mass and begin operating again this year or next year.

Bunnerong power station closed and was demolished a *long* time ago (1970's).

White Bay shut in the 1980's and is now a re-purposed shell, and there were a bunch of smaller ones set up to power the tram system in Sydney that basically went out of use in the 1950's when trams were progressively junked.

There used to be a coal fired plant at Munmorah, Wallerawang, Lake Liddell, Wangi, and other places not in Sydney. Munmorah and Wallerawang shut within the last 20 years. Wangi shut in the mid-1980's after Eraring had started up. Liddell closed only a few years ago.

Colongra is gas-fired and only 0.67 gigawatts. Tallawarra is also gas fired with about 0.7 megawatts combined output.

Condong burns bio-mass (basically wood pulp) and has a tiny output at 0.03 gigawatts and the Visy (tumut) one is about the same.

Snowy Hydro 1.0 has a combined max output of 4.2 gigawatts. Oddly, Snowy Hydro 2.0 is only going to add about 2 gigawatts, for about 10x the price to build as 1.0!