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Why are doctors offices going to metric system in the USA?

That proves we have been sold to China?

We are no longer Americans. We are now Chinesericans

I just saw what our new flag is going to be.

ArishMell · 70-79, M
The Metric System, or properly now its Systèmè Internationale equivalent, is the universal language for all science, engineering, commerce, sports, etc. world-wide, with very few exceptions.

It is inevitable American doctors need use metric units. Medicine has to follow normal scientific practice. The doctors, hospitals and laboratories probably import quite a lot of medicines and equipment so those will be all to metric measures. Doctors, especially specialists, read and some write for, peer-reviewed journals of international value; they discuss medical matters internationally.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with the political hues of any country.

It is really only an accident of history that the founders of the USA stayed with their versions of the Imperial Measures instead of adopting the French-invented metre, litre, gramme, etc - to use their correct, French spellings. Quite literally an accident, too, as a ship carrying metric reference standards to the young USA was wrecked.


The Systèmè Internationale springs from, and still uses, the original metric, but then adds compound units derived so they are all arithmetically coherent. Some do give practical disadvantages, but for most of those alternatives still defined by the formal SI units, are permitted. These include the Bar and the Degree (of angle, not temperature).

It was devised and ratified by the International Standards Organisation, of which the United States of America is a fully paid-up member and possibly among those with the most influence. Yet which remains one of only about three nations still using the old units for everyday purposes.

The last time I heard a NASA control-room officer commentating on the descent of a lander, on the Moon I think, she was reading the altitudes in metres.

So I am afraid that like it or not, your idea that using the m, l, g, Pa, N, V, A, Rad., etc is somehow "Chinese" or somehow "Communist" is totally mistaken.

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The UK has been almost fully metric for some decades now its a few exceptions are primarily the Mile for road and railway distances and speeds... and the Pint for dispensing draught ales and ciders in pubs!
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@fortycreek I do that sometimes... Hmm, advertised as 15cm long... I can't easily picture that. Ah, it's 150mm. That's better. About six inches! :-)
fortycreek · M
@ArishMell exactly!
@HumanEarth An inch is roughly 2.5cm, so that 23 1/4 would just be over 9 inches.
Anniedlr · 26-30, F
What’s the fuss - the majority of the world uses the Metric system which started in France in 1795 - China didn’t become metric until 1929😂😂🙂🐼🥢
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@HumanEarth Whoever told you that was either plain ignorant, or a liar.

Still, it was during the Cold War and Vietnam War, and not ever so long after the MacArthy kangaroo-court wrecked the livelihoods of so many entertainers and scientists alike on flimsy pretexts, so I suppose we can make some allowances for your mis-informant.


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Talking of education, some years ago I often contributed to a knowledge Q&A site called Answers.com, a branch of Wikipedia.

Its Mathematics section was suffused with what appeared to be homework questions from American schoolchildren trying to learn the basic Metric System. Really, many simply wanted to cheat by asking someone else to give the answers!

I would not merely give the answer. I would show them how to convert from one to the other: simply multiply the given measurement by the relevant constant, which is information commonly, freely and easily available to anyone.

This was often sabotaged by two clowns who would write conversion-after-conversion, cluttered with words like "algebra" (needless) and "dimensional analysis" (wrong) to make it as complicated and confusing as possible... then often getting their own arithmetic wrong. I complained to the administrators but these idiots were still allowed to carry on. I felt sorry for teachers handed homework taking several pages just to convert, say, 40 miles to "how many kilometres". (It is of course 64: the multiplier 8/5 is close enough for most practical journeys, and usually easy enough for mental arithmetic!)


The same section also had questions from swimming-pool owners, trying to calculate the correct dosages of disinfectant, etc. sold and instructed in metric measures, for pools in feet and US Gallons. A few did not even know the difference between area and volume, more did not seem to know how to calculate their pool's volume, which is typically rectangular in plan with a sloping floor. I would help them all as much as possible by walking them through the best order of calculations, and the conversions, one step at a time.
HumanEarth · 56-60, F
@ArishMell

Back in the 70s when they tried to teach this junk in schools. Parents, grandparents, companies and i guess many others protested against this. Just like I am now, Metric system is un-American and controlled by a communist take over of the USA.

You can write till your fingers bleed. I will not change my mind
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@HumanEarth I know I won't because you refuse to question the tripe told to you in childhood by people terrified that anything not American-invented, is "Communist".

Actually, that was around the time the UK officially started converting to Metric.

There was a lot of resistance here to that, but only by innate conservatism (small 'c). Nobody was so daft as to think the metric units were "Communist"... even though we were uncomfortably close geographically to the Soviet bloc.

No - we all knew they were invented by our next-door neighbour, France; and of course many Britons already had some inkling of everyday use of metres, kilometres and litres by holidaying "on the Continent".

Just as Americans would by holidaying in Canada, or any other country.
we're metric too and closer to you,,,😃
Handfull1 · 61-69, F
@HumanEarth no one ever told me that and we lived close to each other! What if the ones that told you lied??
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HumanEarth · 56-60, F
What you didn't find that funny? It was hit when I was in highschool
exexec · 61-69, C
Metric was all we used in college, so it's not odd to me. The CT scan showed an aneurism 4.1 cm in diameter. It was clear that my surgeon would make two incisions, 2.2 cm. long during my back surgery. it will be easier to track growth of the aneurism in metric.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@exexec Exactly. Most technical work is now metric but I surprised your surgeon used centimetres, not the "Preferred" millimetres.

Chemists do use the c.c. for measuring small volumes, so I don't know if medical people generally use the cm to be uniform with laboratory tests and similar.
exexec · 61-69, C
@ArishMell It could be the psychological difference between 41 mm vs 4.1 cm. Maybe people wouldn't worry so much about 4.1, which is considered a small aortic aneurism.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@exexec Good point that.
Guardian · 56-60, M
The fact that the rest of the world went metric years ago has nothing to do with it!
@HumanEarth I'm positive the Venusians are part of the conspiracy, they're still pissed that the Americans downgraded Pluto.
HumanEarth · 56-60, F
I'm still pissed about that.
justanothername · 51-55, M
China is not the only country in the world that uses the decimal system. ALL of Europe uses it and has been using it since the late 60s.
The UK still uses the imperial system of inches.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@justanothername Not any more it doesnit, except in a few small-scale ways still using old plans, etc.

The Statute Mile and Yard are still used for roads distances, speeds and vehicle fuel consumption; the railways still use those plus the Chain. You can still buy a pint of beer or cider dispensed in a pub. Some building and engineering materials are still made in feet and inches.

Otherwise all goods in the UK have to be sold in metric measures; all trade, building, engineering, science etc. use the metric system - or more accurately the SI derivation of the metric system invented in 18C France.

This has been so since I think late-1970s, certainly 1980s. It's mainly now only us oldies of bus-pass age still able to use the Imperial as well as Metric measurements.


Virtually the only country now using Imperial measures for everyday use, including trade, is the United States of America, though they call them "American" not "Imperial", and their Gallon and Ton are old versions different from those later formalised as the Imperial ones.

I wonder when the USA will change too. I can understand that many Americans resist it by political misconceptions, not-invented-here syndrome, fear of change or plain lack of personal knowledge; but I think she will bow to the inevitable, perhaps within the next few decades, for science, trade and industry.

Ironically the USA may have been fairly near to adopting the newly-invented metric system from France, very early after its Founding.
They don't tell me how much I weigh at the doctor anymore. I had to buy a scale.
@Spoiledbrat On most dr scales they have a button that says unit, it'll switch the display to pounds.
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oldguy73 · 70-79, M
@starlitflower they are out west buying up land
HumanEarth · 56-60, F
Here in the Midwest to. Right here in Wisconsin. A Chinese company a couple of years ago and bought five neighbors farms up. Thrown them some insane amount of money that no one could reuse. They torn down all the 100 plus old barns and everything and now they are building something massive
DDonde · 31-35, M
swirlie · 31-35, F
The reason Doctors offices are going metric in the USA is because a huge percentage of medicinal drugs are manufactured in other countries, like China for example who use the metric system.

Many drugs that are used in the American healthcare system are also manufactured in Canada and shipped over the border to the US by the truckload each day.

Those drugs manufactured in Canada come with a metric measure on the label and it's far safer for American Doctors to dispense those drugs to patients using the metric system, rather than taking a chance on screwing things up by converting that metric measure to Imperial measure.

The bottom line is, if the USA buys drugs in metric quantities from their foreign supplier, the standard is to keep it in metric to avoid confusion when dispensing it.

You might find this of interest when you think of America losing it's identity in the metric world:

The US system of units from 1832 (the US gallon), is base on the original system in use in Britain PRIOR to the introduction of what's now known as the "British Imperial System", the latter of which came into existence in 1826.

What the USA still uses today is an old abandoned system of measure that was used in Britain prior to 1826.

The US gallon and all other forms of US measure was not invented in the USA and declared an 'American thing'. It is actually a very old 'British thing' that ended up on the shores of the USA over 250 years ago when Brits and a few other worthy types were fleeing the King of England, yet brought that old system of measure with them when they left England on the big boat.... and that old, abandoned British system of measure has remained in place across the USA ever since!

And finally, there is one other thing you should know about America's identity in the world of metric versus British standard measure:

There are only 3 countries on earth who STILL use that old, original British system of measure that was used in Britain prior to the adoption of what's known today as the British Imperial System (Imperial gallon)

Those 3 countries are: the USA, Liberia and Mayanmar.

Liberia is a country located in south-west Africa.

Mayanmar is a country located south of China between India and Bangladesh.

How does it make you feel as an American to share the same obsolete standard of measure with two other countries who are considered Third World Nations and who's citizens are not even eligible for immigration status to the United States of America?

Are you SURE you want to hang onto the old instead of embracing the new?!
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@swirlie Thankyou!

Yes, it is strange that America should still be using an ancient British wine trade measure!

I suppose it happened because it was still being used in the time of the Founding Fathers so it made sense for them to adopt it,. but no-one saw any need to change it since then.

There were rather rough-and-ready trading-standards laws in England in Mediaeval times, but those were aimed at preventing shopkeepers from cheating. We still have such laws of course, but much more refined.


Many people find the history of early measurements amusing: the length of someone's hand or foot, and stories like that. I don't know how true such stories are; but actually they miss a point still important now.

Everything we own and use has to fit human dimensions and senses in some way or other.

Kitchen utensils and trade tools, vehicle seats and steering-wheels, doors and stairs in buildings, controls on the even the biggest and most complicated machinery.... all have to used by ordinary people.

So down the ages, measurement systems were based on human proportions.

Horses' sizes and stamina too, until the invention of steam power. The Acre was about a fair day's horse-drawn ploughing area. The Horsepower was devised to give a rough comparison between steam-engines and horses for driving machinery, to help factory owners estimate the size of engines to buy.

The Nautical Mile and the Metre were the first to break that convention, as they are based on the Earth's geometry.
swirlie · 31-35, F
@ArishMell
Very interesting to read! Remarkable actually. Thanks for all that!
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@swirlie Thankyou!
swirlie · 31-35, F
Canada being already fully metric since the 1980's, will be switching to metric time as well starting January 01, 2025.

A metric minute contains 100 seconds
A metric hour contains 100 minutes
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swirlie · 31-35, F
@ArishMell
I have NEVER claimed to know everything. No-one can know everything, can they?

Yes true, but your abounding knowledge of everything seems so real to me!

I guess I lost my head, probably overwhelmed from just interacting with you.

I'll let you off the hook for knowing everything and hereby restore your credibility to those of us who consistently maintain the SW standard of critical thinking.
HumanEarth · 56-60, F
I'm a Know It All. Every meet this guy at Cheers. The bar know it all. Thats me.

Because metric is far more accurate, it's based on units of ten, not 8 or 16.
fortycreek · M
@NativePortlander1970 its easier but accuracy is no different
@fortycreek It's very much far more accurate to weigh out cookie and cake ingredients in grams and kilos with a calibrated digital kitchen scale scale, I have four of them.

 
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