Cuba 🇨🇺 Before Communism: An Advanced Country
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CountScrofula · 41-45, M
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MightyLion · 18-21, M
I'm not making things up, I am Cuban so I know how it is. You can search youtube videos and see for yourself Cubans showing what they get in food and supplies in a month from the government.
The average Cuban makes in pesos monthly what is equivalent to like 20 American dollars. This gets paid to them by the government just like the rationed foods they get.
The pesos they get paid can't buy them that much food... Especially when all the stores that sell food not given out by the government uses different currencies which cost more than the pesos they make.
According to the source you sent
So your article doesn't represent "actual food intake." What your article represents is the food available for consumption that the Cubans can't buy because of the reasons I explained above. The only person that could be eating more than 3000 calories daily in Cuba would be a tourist bringing outside money or a Cuban who gets sent plenty of money from family members that live outside a country.
The person that took that data also probably got it from one of the more packed Cuban stores that are specifically dedicated to the tourists which they were when they went to Cuba to take this data. In a country that relies heavily on tourism they are going to make everything look as good as possible and food as abundant as they can.
You can search and see photos of all the stores the Cubans that live there go to and see how empty they are. Then you can search photos of the stores Cubans use to buy at before communism and see how abundant they were.
This communism in Cuba is obviously a failed system because if a doctor in Cuba needs money from a family member that works a minimum wage job somewhere in another country just to buy sufficient food then communism cannot be great.
@CountScrofula
The average Cuban makes in pesos monthly what is equivalent to like 20 American dollars. This gets paid to them by the government just like the rationed foods they get.
The pesos they get paid can't buy them that much food... Especially when all the stores that sell food not given out by the government uses different currencies which cost more than the pesos they make.
According to the source you sent
Note that supply figures do not include consumption-level waste (i.e. that wasted at retail, restaurant and household levels), and therefore represents food available for consumption at the retail level, rather than actual food intake.
So your article doesn't represent "actual food intake." What your article represents is the food available for consumption that the Cubans can't buy because of the reasons I explained above. The only person that could be eating more than 3000 calories daily in Cuba would be a tourist bringing outside money or a Cuban who gets sent plenty of money from family members that live outside a country.
The person that took that data also probably got it from one of the more packed Cuban stores that are specifically dedicated to the tourists which they were when they went to Cuba to take this data. In a country that relies heavily on tourism they are going to make everything look as good as possible and food as abundant as they can.
You can search and see photos of all the stores the Cubans that live there go to and see how empty they are. Then you can search photos of the stores Cubans use to buy at before communism and see how abundant they were.
This communism in Cuba is obviously a failed system because if a doctor in Cuba needs money from a family member that works a minimum wage job somewhere in another country just to buy sufficient food then communism cannot be great.
@CountScrofula
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@MightyLion I assumed you were Cuban. I'm going to imagine your family weren't impoverished and processing sugar canes for a living back under Batista.
MightyLion · 18-21, M
Back then farming was not as advanced as it is now so I'm pretty sure worldwide more people took part in agriculture than they do now. Back then way fewer people were poor and now everyone gets exploited by the government and a doctor in Cuba probably makes less than they would have processing sugar canes back then. By law now everyone is forced to be poor because everyone makes the same which isn't fair cause people that don't work as hard get the same as people that do and prices for things not given out by the government are absurd. You could say Cubans back then were impoverished all you want but they were never leaving the island on rafts under Batista like they started doing under Fidel Castro. Actions speak louder than words. I have family that comes from all different financial levels.
Capitalism is much better than communism because even if you start off poor you can work your way up. Communism forces people to be poor with no way out. Pretty much only corrupt high-ranking government people who are very few, people who prostitute with tourists, or taxi drivers aside from people who get money from foreign family members get extra money aside from what the government pays them. Other than that the only way a person could make a comfortable living is some sort of business but they would need to be able to produce what they are going to sell with the money they can get in the following ways I mentioned above. That is not life, that is not living it is surviving. If communism was a good system you wouldn't need to survive it.
Now buildings are collapsing, people are living in slums, there isn't medicine, and people would literally pay more for food than they would for a fancy watch. Things that weren't happening in Cuba before communism.
No country is 100% perfect but under Batista, we were flourishing and advancing more and more until Fidel Castro.
If you watched the video on this post you'd see Cubans and Havana back then and look at how they are now in pictures and you will see quite a difference.
I'm going to imagine that if in your country you were making 20 dollars a month or having to prostitute or do other things no one should have to do to survive while your President lived a luxurious life with mansions and private jets that you would not be happy about it.
@CountScrofula
Capitalism is much better than communism because even if you start off poor you can work your way up. Communism forces people to be poor with no way out. Pretty much only corrupt high-ranking government people who are very few, people who prostitute with tourists, or taxi drivers aside from people who get money from foreign family members get extra money aside from what the government pays them. Other than that the only way a person could make a comfortable living is some sort of business but they would need to be able to produce what they are going to sell with the money they can get in the following ways I mentioned above. That is not life, that is not living it is surviving. If communism was a good system you wouldn't need to survive it.
Now buildings are collapsing, people are living in slums, there isn't medicine, and people would literally pay more for food than they would for a fancy watch. Things that weren't happening in Cuba before communism.
No country is 100% perfect but under Batista, we were flourishing and advancing more and more until Fidel Castro.
If you watched the video on this post you'd see Cubans and Havana back then and look at how they are now in pictures and you will see quite a difference.
I'm going to imagine that if in your country you were making 20 dollars a month or having to prostitute or do other things no one should have to do to survive while your President lived a luxurious life with mansions and private jets that you would not be happy about it.
@CountScrofula
MightyLion · 18-21, M
What do you mean what is my point? Your video doesn't discredit that they were both great. @Elessar
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
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I don't know much about Batista's coup
It's apparent that you don't know this and more, regarding pre-revolution and post-independence Cuban history. Perhaps that owes to your young age. All the ills such as poverty which you attribute to Fidel occurred before Fidel. Keep reading up on your history.
Here's a starting point for some reading:
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/comandante-pre-castro-cuba/
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/castro-fulgencio-batista-1901-1973/
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/before-the-revolution-159682020/
https://jacobin.com/2015/09/cuban-revolution-fidel-castro-casinos-batista
@MightyLion
MightyLion · 18-21, M
@SW-User There is and was poverty in Cuba just like in every country however Fidel made it so that in Cuba everyone because of communism is now poor not just some. Most poor people before Fidel made more money being poor than the average person does now in communist Cuba. Most poor people before Fidel were agricultural workers which in Cuba had the 7th highest wage of agricultural workers in the world. Mind you there were more than a 100 countries ranking behind Cuba in what they paid their agricultural workers. Now the agricultural worker that was considered “poor” back then most certainly doesn’t have the 7th highest wage for a worker of that type. They are probably not even in the top 20. All thanks to Fidel.
Fidel has only done bad things for the country. What was bad back then is dwarfed in comparison to all the bad he has caused.
The average working Cuban (not specifically agricultural) before Communism had the 8th highest wages in the world (out of the 195 countries that there are in the world). Now a Cuban survives off of the average pay of 20 dollars a month and bad quality rationed government food.
Going from the eighth highest wage to an average of 20 something American dollars a month is not something the Cuban people should look towards Fidel with thankfulness for. All in the name of revolution and equality which never applied to Fidel and all his luxuries.
Fidel has only done bad things for the country. What was bad back then is dwarfed in comparison to all the bad he has caused.
The average working Cuban (not specifically agricultural) before Communism had the 8th highest wages in the world (out of the 195 countries that there are in the world). Now a Cuban survives off of the average pay of 20 dollars a month and bad quality rationed government food.
Going from the eighth highest wage to an average of 20 something American dollars a month is not something the Cuban people should look towards Fidel with thankfulness for. All in the name of revolution and equality which never applied to Fidel and all his luxuries.
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