Is Republicans' ultimate aim for America's schools the criminalization of teaching anything except the White heterosexual perspective?

@Gloomy No, wrong again. 👎

@Gloomy According to the statistics, you are correct; republicans are anti-education.
https://www.npr.org/2022/07/26/1113816868/more-americans-are-questioning-whether-college-has-a-positive-impact

@ElwoodBlues Typical Peckerwood MSM misdirection...oh Democrats think something positive comes from College educations and Republicans don't agree.

...not sure how you make the leap from that to Republicans are "anti -education", hey maybe they don't like the curriculum huh?

@SumKindaMunster Typical absence of data.

Not sure how you failed to follow!

Yeah, I'm SURE republicans went around and consistently evaluated curricula at DOZENS of departments at THOUSANDS of different colleges and universities before they came up with these SWEEPING judgements, LOL!!!

@ElwoodBlues

@SumKindaMunster Must suck not being able to back up your position that you solely base on your right wing bias and perception.

@Gloomy The only position I would need to back up is my opinion, that you are wrong. That does not need a citation since its my thought alone.

It's funny you say that, as neither you, nor Peckerwood backed up your actual claims either.

@Gloomy You think home schooling is anti-education?

@SumKindaMunster I backed up my claims; you confessed you were unable to follow the logic. Here, try again:

@SW-User Not necessarily and it sure can be beneficial to some kids but it leaves kids vulnerable to the parents ideology and maybe even abuse in some cases, might not get access to proper education, alienates from peers or leads to religious indoctrination,...
There is a reason why many countries do not allow it or heavily regulate it.

@ElwoodBlues No? How is it not a leap to say disagreeing with having a positive impact means anti-education?

@ElwoodBlues No response huh?

@SumKindaMunster Wow, why are you in such a hurry to move past your hypocrisy on sarcasm & images?

OK, let's break it down by degree. Here are the top five undergrad degrees in the US
1. Business: 20%. Do business majors have a negative impact on the US? Seems republicans say "Yes."
2. Health Professions: 12%. Do health professionals have a negative impact on the US? Seems republicans say "Yes."
3. Social Sciences and History: 9%. these include social work, criminology, and economics. Bad for the US?
4. Engineering. Would you defend the claim that engineers have a negative impact on the US?
5. Biological and Biomedical Sciences. Would you defend the claim that bio majors have a negative impact on the US?

Yeah, claiming that people with these degrees have a negative impact on the US is indeed anti-education.

Oh, and then there's this guy:

@ElwoodBlues Well perhaps my concern was warranted because you are not backing up your claims here. You've completely pivoted from your initial baseless claims about Republicans being anti-education and have provided some unrelated figures on which you have decided to make more baseless accusations.

If you actually read the study you would see that it had to do with the value of higher education and whether or not Americans see the value in attaining higher education. There clearly is a partisan divide there and the study goes into further break downs by race, education, etc.

Only a partisan, disingenuous crank would make the assertion that Republicans concerns about the economic value of a higher education translates to anti-education.

@SumKindaMunster Viewing education only through the lense of economic worth is not very pro education since a university education specifically is not a job training. Sure you'll find jobs with it and people with a degree will contribute to society but it can't be purely meassured in economic terms. It's cultural Capital.

@Gloomy Yes, thank you. But not everyone agrees with your opinion. It costs money to get a higher education in the US and you can certainly subsidize that, the fact remains you can easily put yourself into a debt of over 100k just getting a Bachelor's degree.

And this loan cannot be discharged ever for any reason and you must pay it back.

So it makes sense that people in the US, which would include Republicans, would consider the economic investment required to attain a College degree and make a determination as to the value of the investment.

I understand that to you, you feel your education has Cultural value, likely because you got indoctrinated into being a Marxist and you like feeling like you are special and better than everyone else who doesn't "get it".

@SumKindaMunster NOPE! You avoided the key paragraph. Here, let me quote it for you:


That's the source of the figures I quoted, and it's not about "the economic value of a higher education" at all.

Here are the questions related to the figures I quoted

See that? nothing about "the economic value of a higher education" at all. Instead, it's about republicans saying higher education has a negative impact on the way things are going in this country and in their communities. No great leap connect that statement to being anti- higher education. No great leap at all.

That part of the report was pretty easy to find - just search for the quoted percentages! Only a "partisan, disingenuous crank" (your words) would pretend that part of the report was about "the economic value of a higher education." Or maybe you'll chose to claim you missed that part due to incompetence? Who knows?? Who cares???

@SumKindaMunster Oh man lot to unpack here.

Democrats probably are in favour of student loan forgiveness and in making education less expensive cause let's be real the costs are disgusting and foster inequality and ignorance.
Republicans don't see a fault in this system.

I'm making the assessment based on Bourdieus Capital concept. He distinguishes Economical, cultural and social Capital. I don't feel better than anyone else but I see the benefits of people having cheap and easy access to higher education or maybe just taking some courses in topics that interests them. Education should not be a priviledge for the rich.
Stop with the indoctrination stuff. My family is conservative and marxism isn't really propagated anywhere. I came to it myself and found it, taking my personal experiences and values under consideration, to be the best ideology to ascribe to.

@ElwoodBlues Again, your original point was this:


Where is the money quote showing that? You're point that you seem to be purposefully missing is that you stated that Republicans are "anti-education" because they view education as an investment, not a right of passage.

Not having a positive effect, does not equal anti education.

@Gloomy
That's your opinion. You really think studying quasi-Marxists concepts is useful in getting a stable and well paying job? Again, you and Peckerwood are missing the key difference between how Democrats and Republicans view higher education....and it has nothing to do with the Republicans being anti education no matter how many times Peckerwood keeps responding with disingenuous replies.

@SumKindaMunster What are quasi-Marxist concepts? 😂 you have no idea what you are talking about. Also you can get good jobs in studies that teach it.

Dou you believe education should be determined by ones wealth? Do you think starting out life with a debt is defendable?

@Gloomy
Yeah laugh it up idiot:
https://www.sociologygroup.com/pierre-bourdieu-capital-explained/


I don't. It should be determined by individual spirit and effort.


Defendable? I guess it depends on the person and their situation. I don't believe in a one size fits all scenario regarding attaining higher education.

@SumKindaMunster Yes the concept is build on marxist theory but the term "quasi" doesn't apply. Are you aware that in cultural and social sciences many concepts base on marxism? And that those fields are not just some utopian silly left wing idea and have specific use in society?

Individual spirit and effort while studying and not in order to even be allowed to study.