Nancy Pelosi quitting???
I think she is quitting just because she doesn't want to hand the gavel over to a Republican at the formal ceremony. That is so childish, but typical of democrats.
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TallMtnMedic · M
tindrummer · M
@TallMtnMedic yeah, no one retires to Florida, right? How could she?
TallMtnMedic · M
@tindrummer Especially after shes ripped on it and their governor every chance she could.
Definitely, how could she #hypocrite
They should ship her to Martha's Vinyard, she belongs with her folks instead of being trash in Florida.
Definitely, how could she #hypocrite
They should ship her to Martha's Vinyard, she belongs with her folks instead of being trash in Florida.
tindrummer · M
@TallMtnMedic Yeah, I doubt if DeSantis or any other repub including you has ever had anything negative to say about California and especially San Francisco
TallMtnMedic · M
@tindrummer Actually im an independent, and yes i do and was actually stationed outside of SF for a few years, also western Florida, overseas, Louisiana, N. Dakota, Texas, NY, a third world country here and there.
Saw SF, and California in general go from beautiful to a 3rd world shithole.
I didnt see the degradation in every other state, (especially Florida), I lived in like I saw in California.
Where have you lived btw? Have you been to Florida or anywhere outside your state?
So no, I wouldn't live around SF again. Unlike Pelosi and you though, I've actually lived in the places I speak poorly or not.
Wanna keep trying?
Saw SF, and California in general go from beautiful to a 3rd world shithole.
I didnt see the degradation in every other state, (especially Florida), I lived in like I saw in California.
Where have you lived btw? Have you been to Florida or anywhere outside your state?
So no, I wouldn't live around SF again. Unlike Pelosi and you though, I've actually lived in the places I speak poorly or not.
Wanna keep trying?
tindrummer · M
@TallMtnMedic When did I critisize Florida?
de Santis yes, not the state
Grew up in Texas and lived in Arkansas, Colorado, Berlin and near SF for the last 40 yrs.
Your opinion of California and SF in particular is exactly that - opinion
I shouldn't have assumed you're a republican but wouldn't you agree that you sound like one? You also don't support trump?
de Santis yes, not the state
Grew up in Texas and lived in Arkansas, Colorado, Berlin and near SF for the last 40 yrs.
Your opinion of California and SF in particular is exactly that - opinion
I shouldn't have assumed you're a republican but wouldn't you agree that you sound like one? You also don't support trump?
TallMtnMedic · M
@tindrummer
I apologize if you thought saud you critized Florida.
My opinion is just that, just like yours is of DeSantis, except California has gotten much worse, especially SF. Was a beautiful city, not anymore.
Did you support Biden, or is there anyone elsevyou woukve supposed?
I voted for Trump both times, wish Gabbert wouldve kept in the race. Biden cant string two sentences togeter, is a racist (his words over 40+ years in government) and has questionable morals when it comes to children.
I apologize if you thought saud you critized Florida.
My opinion is just that, just like yours is of DeSantis, except California has gotten much worse, especially SF. Was a beautiful city, not anymore.
Did you support Biden, or is there anyone elsevyou woukve supposed?
I voted for Trump both times, wish Gabbert wouldve kept in the race. Biden cant string two sentences togeter, is a racist (his words over 40+ years in government) and has questionable morals when it comes to children.
tindrummer · M
@TallMtnMedic Once again - opinions. Listen, it's highly unlikely either of us will convince the other of anything so let's stop wasting our time. Later
2cool4school · 46-50, F
@TallMtnMedic You might’ve spent time in Nor Cal, but living near SF and living in SF are two vastly different things. And to the outside observer SF doesn’t often make sense.
SF is suffering from the same problems as many west coast big cities. The Fentanyl “crisis” as well as drug addiction and the homelessness (unhoused) situation have some crossover lots of people are interested in living in tents when they can do meth and other drugs and get handouts from all over society. Skid Row is still way worse than any part of SF. And even with mass shoplifting it’s not affecting the price of housing and the home values in SF the way it is wrecking Portland and Seattle and Los Angeles.
The tech companies exodus as well as other companies isn’t even affecting SF and California in general. Many people who have moved to Arizona Nevada and Texas are not exactly excited about the weather issues that come with those territories.
California is still the 5th-7th largest economy on the planet all by itself.
SF has had dark times in the 1970s and the early 1900s and it’s never been enough to dim its appeal. It’s a bit more complex than other cities. It’s not owned by multinational corporations and banks the way that New York is. It’s also very expensive to live in New York but it’s just not the same as San Francisco and even the other select parts of the Bay Area. Silicon Valley seems to regenerate too even though big companies are leaving there are others filling in any space as well as people who want to live in these areas not just for professional reasons. Walgreens and CVS might not want to stay in SF but plenty of other companies are not going anywhere. And the reasons are too vast for me to list but one of them is that SF is dense with early adopters of all kinds of stuff. Most people have switched to getting their prescriptions from online sources and hallmark cards aren’t enough to sustain a pharmacy.
SF is suffering from the same problems as many west coast big cities. The Fentanyl “crisis” as well as drug addiction and the homelessness (unhoused) situation have some crossover lots of people are interested in living in tents when they can do meth and other drugs and get handouts from all over society. Skid Row is still way worse than any part of SF. And even with mass shoplifting it’s not affecting the price of housing and the home values in SF the way it is wrecking Portland and Seattle and Los Angeles.
The tech companies exodus as well as other companies isn’t even affecting SF and California in general. Many people who have moved to Arizona Nevada and Texas are not exactly excited about the weather issues that come with those territories.
California is still the 5th-7th largest economy on the planet all by itself.
SF has had dark times in the 1970s and the early 1900s and it’s never been enough to dim its appeal. It’s a bit more complex than other cities. It’s not owned by multinational corporations and banks the way that New York is. It’s also very expensive to live in New York but it’s just not the same as San Francisco and even the other select parts of the Bay Area. Silicon Valley seems to regenerate too even though big companies are leaving there are others filling in any space as well as people who want to live in these areas not just for professional reasons. Walgreens and CVS might not want to stay in SF but plenty of other companies are not going anywhere. And the reasons are too vast for me to list but one of them is that SF is dense with early adopters of all kinds of stuff. Most people have switched to getting their prescriptions from online sources and hallmark cards aren’t enough to sustain a pharmacy.
TallMtnMedic · M
@2cool4school Actually stationed just outside of SF for a few years, I always refer to the northern half as northern California bc it was the prettier part. So yeah living in it, no, but being in it for work and personal two or more times a week counts for something.
Companies, and people, are leaving California bc they are taxed at insane rates and the state is not business friendly unlike Texas, Az, Nevada, etc... People are even taxed for leaving. Its gotten bad enough where California is probably going to lose a few seats in the House which is unheard of, meanwhile Texas is set to gain, as are other states.
Plus crime rates have gotten worse, police hands are tied for the most part, no cash bail, etc....
New York is having similar issues as far as cost of living, crime etc....
Theres a reason people are leaving in droves to other states like Florida.
Companies, and people, are leaving California bc they are taxed at insane rates and the state is not business friendly unlike Texas, Az, Nevada, etc... People are even taxed for leaving. Its gotten bad enough where California is probably going to lose a few seats in the House which is unheard of, meanwhile Texas is set to gain, as are other states.
Plus crime rates have gotten worse, police hands are tied for the most part, no cash bail, etc....
New York is having similar issues as far as cost of living, crime etc....
Theres a reason people are leaving in droves to other states like Florida.
2cool4school · 46-50, F
@TallMtnMedic Crime rates are up all over the US. States like Louisiana and New Mexico are still ahead of California in the percentage increase.
As far as your living in the Nor Cal area for a brief time, I didn’t say that it didn’t count for anything but you’ve told me personally about where you were living and on base and or near SF and the Bay Area is a much different experience. That’s all. I’m not saying that anything that California does is actually alright in my opinion and I’m trying to stick to the facts of situation in the “land of plenty” in general.
I know personally what it’s like to live in the city of SF as well as several areas near the city. I grew up in one of the suburbs that surpassed San Francisco in both size and population density. I also know personally what it’s like to be a resident of Nevada but my experience is not exactly pertinent to the situation. And my opinions are not the discussion nor are my experiences. However California has unique opportunities for both individuals and companies that are based there or were based there and recently moved. Plenty of corporations big and small have a Bay Area presence but are also registered in the state of Nevada for the tax breaks mainly. California is the gateway to the pacific and the business with Asia that often still needs to be done in person. Obviously like many things the internet has made intercontinental connectivity simpler and easier and more profitable. But California occupies a strategically superior area for everything from produce and cannabis to almonds. As well as tech companies that continue to keep a presence in Silicon Valley for more than just romantic reasons, it being the birth place of modern tech.
SoCal and NorCal are vastly different from each other and it’s not too shocking that people have wanted to separate them into 2 and 3 different states for decades now.
Plenty of people have talked about governor Gavin Newsom’s evolution politically from the mayor of SF to someone who has presidential ambitions and it’s not something that is likely to happen with another west coast states’ big city mayor turned governor. Palin tried to leverage her power and she didn’t exactly shock people with her ineptitude. Mainly because being the governor of California puts someone in a position of power on the worlds stage through the many unique things about California that make it as valuable as it’s been and still is.
New York City especially and California both have some of the strictest gun laws and regulations in the country and they still have had the same problems with gun violence as almost anywhere else in America. Chicago is still worse than Los Angeles and San Francisco gun crime combined when it comes down to people dying from bullets. No matter what regulations they try to change and enforce the results are often still the same. Most people who are killed by guns are not killed by a legally attainable weapon. And guns going south of the border are more likely to be from Arizona Nevada and Texas because they don’t have the same limits on guns as Californias magazine limit or strict registration regulations.
I think plenty of reasons play into the facts that people are leaving in mass numbers but it’s not changing much in the way California is operating at least not yet. Losing seats in the House of Representatives might have some impact only time will tell. But the point I was actually making is that the people who left are paying in more ways than just exit fees. Texas has more trouble with weather and their power grid is fragile as well. Californias isn’t exactly ideal especially when you factor in the fire seasons that are now year round in many parts of the state. But you can’t grow tomatoes in Texas 365 days a year and that goes almost across the board for agriculture in California vs anywhere else in the US. As foreign food sources become more of a threatened commodity due to everything from the cost of fuel to the transportation infrastructure and the other factors like conflict affecting getting everything to market from wherever it’s made grown or manufactured. California is always going to have the choice ports in Long Beach and Oakland for foreign cars and anything else with a chip from Apple products and toys to medical care industry items big and small. Tech to PPE all hits the California docks before they can load trucks and trains and planes to get it to the rest of the country. The Golden Gate is still wide open for business as long as our economy is so tightly tied to China and Korea and Taiwan and to a lesser degree Japan and Vietnam for production of goods in Asia. I’m not an economist or an expert in world trade and foreign relations and global policy but I can see that it is vital for all involved to keep the balance and the trade routes open. The largest market for US goods is Mexico so it’s highly unlikely that the southern border will ever be closed in order to stem the flow of narcotics and guns going south and the Narco War is very real and nothing new even though it’s not been covered like a “real” war. It has all the elements of warfare. Corruption is just one. The Chinese are using an asymmetric warfare tactic by supplying Mexico with precursor chemicals to make fentanyl and meth among other substances. They already have had the poppy felids near Michoacán for decades but along with controlling the flow of cocaine and meth the addition of illicit pharmaceuticals in any form from counterfeit compound products containing substances like fentanyl in addition to or in place of the listed ingredients are in high demand just like another common cartel smuggled product. That being humans. And especially laborers for all the jobs that people all over North America rely on and the jobs that many us citizens refuse to do.
Do I think that California is doing things in the “right” or best way? Hard Nope. Do I agree with and believe in the way that they are managing their resources and responsibilities correctly? No but then again I don’t agree with almost anything politicians do and therefore I don’t ever vote and never will.
However that doesn’t change the fact that California has a value and a presence that other states combined can’t reach. It’s not something that is going to change because it’s not just limited to geography or finance or production or something as simple as the weather. It’s more complex than just one factor and it’s not going to change.
As far as your living in the Nor Cal area for a brief time, I didn’t say that it didn’t count for anything but you’ve told me personally about where you were living and on base and or near SF and the Bay Area is a much different experience. That’s all. I’m not saying that anything that California does is actually alright in my opinion and I’m trying to stick to the facts of situation in the “land of plenty” in general.
I know personally what it’s like to live in the city of SF as well as several areas near the city. I grew up in one of the suburbs that surpassed San Francisco in both size and population density. I also know personally what it’s like to be a resident of Nevada but my experience is not exactly pertinent to the situation. And my opinions are not the discussion nor are my experiences. However California has unique opportunities for both individuals and companies that are based there or were based there and recently moved. Plenty of corporations big and small have a Bay Area presence but are also registered in the state of Nevada for the tax breaks mainly. California is the gateway to the pacific and the business with Asia that often still needs to be done in person. Obviously like many things the internet has made intercontinental connectivity simpler and easier and more profitable. But California occupies a strategically superior area for everything from produce and cannabis to almonds. As well as tech companies that continue to keep a presence in Silicon Valley for more than just romantic reasons, it being the birth place of modern tech.
SoCal and NorCal are vastly different from each other and it’s not too shocking that people have wanted to separate them into 2 and 3 different states for decades now.
Plenty of people have talked about governor Gavin Newsom’s evolution politically from the mayor of SF to someone who has presidential ambitions and it’s not something that is likely to happen with another west coast states’ big city mayor turned governor. Palin tried to leverage her power and she didn’t exactly shock people with her ineptitude. Mainly because being the governor of California puts someone in a position of power on the worlds stage through the many unique things about California that make it as valuable as it’s been and still is.
New York City especially and California both have some of the strictest gun laws and regulations in the country and they still have had the same problems with gun violence as almost anywhere else in America. Chicago is still worse than Los Angeles and San Francisco gun crime combined when it comes down to people dying from bullets. No matter what regulations they try to change and enforce the results are often still the same. Most people who are killed by guns are not killed by a legally attainable weapon. And guns going south of the border are more likely to be from Arizona Nevada and Texas because they don’t have the same limits on guns as Californias magazine limit or strict registration regulations.
I think plenty of reasons play into the facts that people are leaving in mass numbers but it’s not changing much in the way California is operating at least not yet. Losing seats in the House of Representatives might have some impact only time will tell. But the point I was actually making is that the people who left are paying in more ways than just exit fees. Texas has more trouble with weather and their power grid is fragile as well. Californias isn’t exactly ideal especially when you factor in the fire seasons that are now year round in many parts of the state. But you can’t grow tomatoes in Texas 365 days a year and that goes almost across the board for agriculture in California vs anywhere else in the US. As foreign food sources become more of a threatened commodity due to everything from the cost of fuel to the transportation infrastructure and the other factors like conflict affecting getting everything to market from wherever it’s made grown or manufactured. California is always going to have the choice ports in Long Beach and Oakland for foreign cars and anything else with a chip from Apple products and toys to medical care industry items big and small. Tech to PPE all hits the California docks before they can load trucks and trains and planes to get it to the rest of the country. The Golden Gate is still wide open for business as long as our economy is so tightly tied to China and Korea and Taiwan and to a lesser degree Japan and Vietnam for production of goods in Asia. I’m not an economist or an expert in world trade and foreign relations and global policy but I can see that it is vital for all involved to keep the balance and the trade routes open. The largest market for US goods is Mexico so it’s highly unlikely that the southern border will ever be closed in order to stem the flow of narcotics and guns going south and the Narco War is very real and nothing new even though it’s not been covered like a “real” war. It has all the elements of warfare. Corruption is just one. The Chinese are using an asymmetric warfare tactic by supplying Mexico with precursor chemicals to make fentanyl and meth among other substances. They already have had the poppy felids near Michoacán for decades but along with controlling the flow of cocaine and meth the addition of illicit pharmaceuticals in any form from counterfeit compound products containing substances like fentanyl in addition to or in place of the listed ingredients are in high demand just like another common cartel smuggled product. That being humans. And especially laborers for all the jobs that people all over North America rely on and the jobs that many us citizens refuse to do.
Do I think that California is doing things in the “right” or best way? Hard Nope. Do I agree with and believe in the way that they are managing their resources and responsibilities correctly? No but then again I don’t agree with almost anything politicians do and therefore I don’t ever vote and never will.
However that doesn’t change the fact that California has a value and a presence that other states combined can’t reach. It’s not something that is going to change because it’s not just limited to geography or finance or production or something as simple as the weather. It’s more complex than just one factor and it’s not going to change.
LeopoldBloom · M
@TallMtnMedic She’s not retiring.