The voter id system by itself is a sham and needs to be scrapped worldwide. Political parties maintain their own set of fake voters by using the law that a vote is a secret. This gives the criminals the advantage of dropping fake votes in a box.
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ElwoodBlues · M
I've got NO PROBLEM with the theory of voter ID, as long as it's free and easy. I DO have a problem with the practice of making it differentially harder for the elderly & working poor. https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/challenge-obtaining-voter-identification
"Voter ID laws have been estimated by the U.S. Government Accountability Office to reduce voter turnout by 2-3 percentage points, translating to tens of thousands of votes lost in a single state." https://www.aclu.org/news/civil-liberties/block-the-vote-voter-suppression-in-2020/
Alabama is a case in point. A state shouldn't be allowed to do what Alabama did, passing voter ID laws and then closing ID issuing offices in predominantly poor or black counties.
"Voter ID laws have been estimated by the U.S. Government Accountability Office to reduce voter turnout by 2-3 percentage points, translating to tens of thousands of votes lost in a single state." https://www.aclu.org/news/civil-liberties/block-the-vote-voter-suppression-in-2020/
Alabama is a case in point. A state shouldn't be allowed to do what Alabama did, passing voter ID laws and then closing ID issuing offices in predominantly poor or black counties.
ElwoodBlues · M
It's fair to make a cost-benefit analysis of voter fraud and voter ID. Voter ID is great in theory, but in many places it has been used to suppress voters. How much suppression?
Thus voter ID, as currently implemented, is costing about 2,000,000 lost votes per major national election. That's the cost.
Now for the benefit. Heritage Foundation found 1,620 cases of voter fraud over a 40 year period; see below. Let's make best case assumptions by overestimating the rate of fraud per major national election; let's assume that ALL of those 1620 cases happened in the 10 presidential years inside that span. Thus, 162 cases per election that could presumably be blocked by voter fraud.
Best case: voter ID might catch 162 bad votes per major election. That's the benefit.
So the cost benefit analysis tells us that it costs about 2,000,000 legitimate votes to catch 162 fraudulent votes. That's a cost of 12,345 legit votes lost per fraudulent vote caught.
That cost is WAY WAY too high!!!
Historical Baseline: A landmark 2014 study cited by the Brennan Center for Justice found only 31 credible instances of voter impersonation out of more than 1 billion ballots cast between 2000 and 2014.
Mail-In Voting Rates: Recent data from the Brookings Institution indicates that between 2016 and 2022, fraudulent mail-in ballots accounted for approximately 0.000043% of total mail votes cast, or roughly 4 cases for every 10 million ballots.
The Heritage Foundation's Election Fraud Database, which tracks a wider range of irregularities, has identified 1,620 total proven instances of voter fraud since 1982. Given that over 1 billion votes were cast in federal elections alone during a shorter period (1988–2020), this equates to a very low rate of occurrence relative to the total volume.
Voter ID laws have been estimated by the U.S. Government Accountability Office to reduce voter turnout by 2-3 percentage points, translating to tens of thousands of votes lost in a single state.
https://www.aclu.org/news/civil-liberties/block-the-vote-voter-suppression-in-2020/Thus voter ID, as currently implemented, is costing about 2,000,000 lost votes per major national election. That's the cost.
Now for the benefit. Heritage Foundation found 1,620 cases of voter fraud over a 40 year period; see below. Let's make best case assumptions by overestimating the rate of fraud per major national election; let's assume that ALL of those 1620 cases happened in the 10 presidential years inside that span. Thus, 162 cases per election that could presumably be blocked by voter fraud.
Best case: voter ID might catch 162 bad votes per major election. That's the benefit.
So the cost benefit analysis tells us that it costs about 2,000,000 legitimate votes to catch 162 fraudulent votes. That's a cost of 12,345 legit votes lost per fraudulent vote caught.
That cost is WAY WAY too high!!!
Historical Baseline: A landmark 2014 study cited by the Brennan Center for Justice found only 31 credible instances of voter impersonation out of more than 1 billion ballots cast between 2000 and 2014.
Mail-In Voting Rates: Recent data from the Brookings Institution indicates that between 2016 and 2022, fraudulent mail-in ballots accounted for approximately 0.000043% of total mail votes cast, or roughly 4 cases for every 10 million ballots.
The Heritage Foundation's Election Fraud Database, which tracks a wider range of irregularities, has identified 1,620 total proven instances of voter fraud since 1982. Given that over 1 billion votes were cast in federal elections alone during a shorter period (1988–2020), this equates to a very low rate of occurrence relative to the total volume.
Midlifemale · 61-69, M
All so true. I also do think this November, just like Nov '24, will be the tipping point and what our country will look like in the future.
Than you for that.
Than you for that.
Pfuzylogic · M
The DOJ tried to extort the list of registered voters in Minnesota and then they would recall ICE. I don’t particularly trust trump or anyone in his Cabinet. Whatever they get, they will misuse so let’s not pretend that those in charge now are trustworthy.
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SumKindaMunster · 56-60, M
The American people, and in fact almost everyone world wide cannot accurately plan their lives because the media has so disgraced themselves by parroting manufactured “news” designed, not to inform but to guide thought. We, the American people are being guided to accept domination by an entity invisible, a devious charlatan whose only concern is their well being. It’s my opinion that there are but two mega wealthy people that care about mankind Elon Musk and Donald Trump
PatKirby · M
Because its indicative that you know you're going to lose, and lose badly.
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