Do Protestant Christians know about the God of nature as distinct from the God of supernature?

This is the only god of nature I know. Many keep mistaking him for the Devil.

Define protestant christians, but then again isn't nature supernatural any way?

[b]Since you're always so rude as to post every comment as the start of anew thread, why should I (or anyone) give you the courtesy of using the 'reply' button.

So from now every comment I make will start a new thread[/b]

So you agree that the use of the word 'permanent' means that your god had a beginning, but you then say it didn't have a beginning.

You have now shown us that you're just making up whatever suits you from moment to moment.

You have now shown us that you're basing your god on convenient, fictions, and when those are revealed to be duplicitous and self-serving fictions, you simply invent yet more convenient fictions.

@newjaninev2


Hi newj, I agree with you that "When something changes it doesn't mean it didn't exist before it changed."

For example, you changed from a baby to an adult woman, but all the time from conception to your present existence, you exist - but you didn't exist before your conception in the womb of your mother.

With God however He never changes in time, because He exists all the time.

So that if you insist that God changes in time, then you and I we don't have the identical meaning of the word God.

That is why for me God is the permanent self-existent spirit creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient in nature.

Permanent existence implicates self-existence, meaning not dependent on another being to come into the status of reality which is existence.

So, when you keep on and on and on asking who created God, you are going into infinite regress because you are just repeating in your mind the same question, for in objective reality outside your mind there is or exists God, the pemanent self-existent spirit, source of all beings which have a beginning like with the material-phyical universe and you and me, we are transient beings, i.e. not permanent.

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[@newjaninev2], you tell me, "This is exactly what you try to avoid, because then you are easily held accountable for your words."

Just tell me verbatim what words from me that you want me to account for.


I arranged things so that any post contributed is at the top of the column, your post when written and sent, it will appear at the top, so also with my post i.e. all my words, so you can't miss my words.

Okay, present to me verbatim my words which you want me to account for, just go down and you will meet my words, then copy and paste them in your latest post, and I will see them and account for them, as your post will appear at the top, okay!?


Just abstain from technicalities of the forum, most crucially important are ideas and facts and truths, and that you and I and everyone get to read them, at the top when it is sent.



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There is only One God.. The God of Abraham.. There is no other..

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Hi newj, you tell me asking, "you're a protestant atheist who worships nature... is that right?"

No, I am not, period.

I am theist and a researcher on evidence for God as in the present thread* creator and operator of nature.

And the evidence for God is the universe itself which points to God, because the universe i.e. the material-physical universe has a beginning - you say it doesn't, but what is if any logic from you that the material-physical universe has no beginning, when it is composed of ultimately particles, and particles need an assembler to put the particles together into a material-physical universe.



[quote]newjaninev2 · 51-55, F

Since you're always so rude as to post every comment as the start of anew thread, why should I (or anyone) give you the courtesy of using the 'reply' button.

So from now every comment I make will start a new thread

As I see from following the latest thread (the thread before the previous thread) you're a protestant atheist who worships nature... is that right?[/quote]

*I understand a thread to be a topic that an author presents to members of a forum for everyone to contribute posts, how exactly do you, newj understand a thread and a post and a comment?

[b]Since you're always so rude as to post every comment as the start of anew thread, why should I (or anyone) give you the courtesy of using the 'reply' button.

So from now every comment I make will start a new thread[/b]

A post is the main topic...what you originally put on this site. The blurb that begins "Do Protestant Christians know about the God of nature as distinct from the God of supernature?"

A comment is a response to that post, or a response to another comment.

comment are threaded together chronologically, and this is achieved by using the 'reply' button when you want to comment on another comment.

In this way, then is a coherent and chronological record of who said what to which comment, and the responses to all other comments that follow.

It is then a simple matter to scroll back up the thread to establish what was said and when.

This is [b][i]exactly[/i][/b] what you try to avoid, because then you are easily held accountable for your words

[b]Since you're always so rude as to post every comment as the start of anew thread, why should I (or anyone) give you the courtesy of using the 'reply' button.

So from now every comment I make will start a new thread[/b]

Defining terms is very important, especially so because you keep trying to obfuscate the meaning of what you say, and what you deliberately [i]don't[/i] say, as part of your need to deceive and mislead.

[b]Since you're always so rude as to post every comment as the start of anew thread, why should I (or anyone) give you the courtesy of using the 'reply' button.

So from now every comment I make will start a new thread[/b]

Obviously you haven't heard of Emergent Properties.

If this hadn't happened, as I have pointed out earlier in this same thread, something else would have happened.

[b]Since you're always so rude as to post every comment as the start of anew thread, why should I (or anyone) give you the courtesy of using the 'reply' button.

So from now every comment I make will start a new thread[/b]

I'm not saying that about any beginning. I'm saying we don't know. When something changes it doesn't mean it didn't exist before it changed.

[b]Since you're always so rude as to post every comment as the start of anew thread, why should I (or anyone) give you the courtesy of using the 'reply' button.

So from now every comment I make will start a new thread[/b]

As I see from following the latest thread (the thread before the previous thread) you're a protestant atheist who worships nature... is that right?

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Tell you what, you can just dismiss me and no longer bother with me because I am not following your instructions, period.

Or I will just dismiss you because you are just simply absurd with your ideas of a non-ending and non-beginning universe, whereas it is obvious it has a beginning because it is composed of parts which implicates the existence of God Who is its assembler for being its creator and operator.

I will see whether I can invite someone else to for us discuss God together, He God exists or not.

For the present I will dismiss you as an absurd event.

No more attention to you.

[b]Since you're always so rude as to post every comment as the start of anew thread, why should I (or anyone) give you the courtesy of using the 'reply' button.

So from now every comment I make will start a new thread[/b]

Are you referring to your comment about your new-found atheism?

(The one at the start of this thread)

[b]Since you're always so rude as to post every comment as the start of anew thread, why should I (or anyone) give you the courtesy of using the 'reply' button.

So from now every comment I make will start a new thread[/b]

and you still haven't answered my previous question in the same thread

[b]Since you're always so rude as to post every comment as the start of anew thread, why should I (or anyone) give you the courtesy of using the 'reply' button.

So from now every comment I make will start a new thread[/b]

So a permanent marker has always existed and will be here until the universe dies?

[b]Since you're always so rude as to post every comment as the start of anew thread, why should I (or anyone) give you the courtesy of using the 'reply' button.

So from now every comment I make will start a new thread[/b]

That last comment you posted in this thread made no sense

[b]Since you're always so rude as to post every comment as the start of anew thread, why should I (or anyone) give you the courtesy of using the 'reply' button.

So from now every comment I make will start a new thread[/b]

Tell me what you mean by 'god of nature'

(or just run away again... your preferred option)

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Hi all posters, please don't ask questions all the time, unless you know what for you is the correct answer to your each question you ask.

For example, you ask what is the meaning of permanent, you must first already have what to you is the meaning of permanent, in this way you and I will work together to come to an agreed on meaning of the word permanent - otherwise we will never get to anything that contributes to the advancement of useful knowledge for mankind.

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Go away, I have dismissed you already as an absurd event.


Anyone else, come over and let us dialog on God exists or not, according to reason and intelligence.

If no one comes over, then modesty aside I will assume that no one here has the reason and intelligence to dialog with me on God exists or not, on reason and intelligence.

I will then think on how to introduce a thread in philosopy, on what do philosophers say about God exists or not, on reason and intelligence from the part of mankind.

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Addressing everyone here, for the present I am dealing with just only newjaninev2. Let you all guys here entertain yourselves without me, okay?!

When newj goes away, then I will choose another poster to deal with on an exclusive basis, what about DocSavage? Why not, he's a worthy thinker though being worthy does not mean that he can think straight.

Anyway, let you volunteer to deal with me on a one on one basis, because I am just one guy while you are many.

[b]Since you're always so rude as to post every comment as the start of anew thread, why should I (or anyone) give you the courtesy of using the 'reply' button.

So from now every comment I make will start a new thread[/b]

What do you mean by 'permanent'?

[b]Since you're always so rude as to post every comment as the start of anew thread, why should I (or anyone) give you the courtesy of using the 'reply' button.

So from now every comment I make will start a new thread[/b]

What is the ultimate origin of your god?

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Let us start from this point:

I know God exists. You deny God exists.

So, what do you say, shouldn't we first agree on what is God as regards the idea of God? Otherwise we might be in the absurd situation of not talking about the same thing.

Please, hi newj, don't bring in another question or issue or anything, we are going to work as to concur on the meaning of the word God.

[b]Since you're always so rude as to post every comment as the start of anew thread, why should I (or anyone) give you the courtesy of using the 'reply' button.

So from now every comment I make will start a new thread[/b]


[quote]Let us start from this point[/quote]

[b]No, let's not.[/b]

Let's carry on with the topic at hand

The topic you're trying to run away from

If your god had a beginning, then how did it begin?

How will it end?

If it has always existed, then so has the universe, so your god is unnecessary, and we can simply drop it into the rubbish bin marked 'bad ideas'

[quote]don't bring in another question or issue or anything[/quote]

That's [b][i]exactly[/i][/b] what I'm preventing you from doing.

Address the topic, or go away.

[quote]Since you're always so rude as to post every comment as the start of anew thread, why should I (or anyone) give you the courtesy of using the 'reply' button.

So from now every comment I make will start a new thread [/quote]

Elsewhere on this thread you identified as atheist. Does your betrayal of your god change the views you expressed in your last comment on this thread?

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Have we met before?

Tell me who they all do what? You mean "I expect Protestant Christians to focus on the God of supernature."

What about you, allygator, do you know of the existence of the God of nature?

By the way, are you theist or atheist, I am theist* in re the God of nature.




[quote]allygator18 · 22-25

They all do except Jerry[/quote]

*Perhaps I should identify myself as deist?

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Okay, everyone, the floor is now open for you to engage me in the discussion of God exists or not, accoding to human reason and intelligence.


Everyone, let us all sit back and await with bated breath to obseve what is going to occur, will someone volunteer to dialog with me?

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You tell me, "Defining terms is very important."

I agree with you, now shall we work together to come to an agreed meaning of the word permanent? Let you first propose what you know to be the meaning of the word permanent, okay?!



[quote]newjaninev2 · 51-55, F

Since you're always so rude as to post every comment as the start of anew thread, why should I (or anyone) give you the courtesy of using the 'reply' button.

So from now every comment I make will start a new thread

Defining terms is very important, especially so because you keep trying to obfuscate the meaning of what you say, and what you deliberately don't say, as part of your need to deceive and mislead.[/quote]

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[@ Adstar]

Are you theist or atheist?

If theist, you must be a Protestant Christian.

Tell me, is there any connection between the God of supernature in the Bible and the God of nature?
[quote]From Yrger:
"By God of nature I am referring to God as mankind can and does know Him to exist, by mankind's reason and intelligence.

And by God of supernature I am referring to God as Protestant Christians know Him to exist - by reading the Bible which holds the revelation of God by Himself, in particular of miracles He worked."[/quote]



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[quote]Adstar · 56-60, M

There is only One God.. The God of Abraham.. There is no other..[/quote]

[b]Since you're always so rude as to post every comment as the start of anew thread, why should I (or anyone) give you the courtesy of using the 'reply' button.

So from now every comment I make will start a new thread[/b]

[quote]obvious it has a beginning[/quote]

It is equally obvious that the Sun orbits the Earth, yes?

[quote]it is composed of parts[/quote]

????

[b]What is it that you're desperately trying to avoid saying?[/b]

[b]Since you're always so rude as to post every comment as the start of anew thread, why should I (or anyone) give you the courtesy of using the 'reply' button.

So from now every comment I make will start a new thread[/b]

You haven't told me what you mean by 'god of nature'

So was he, according to the movie

He was here before your God

They all do except Jerry

@newjaninev2

Where did I say: "So you agree that the use of the word 'permanent' means that your god had a beginning, but you then say it didn't have a beginning."

Please quote verbatim where I said that, okay!?

God is All. All is Mind. We are all thoughts of “infinite ineffable Intelligence” that expresses itself through All things.

The word permanent means with no beginning and no ending, for example God is permanent because He exists all the time.

[quote]Since you're always so rude as to post every comment as the start of anew thread, why should I (or anyone) give you the courtesy of using the 'reply' button.

So from now every comment I make will start a new thread[/quote]

That is a good example of what I mentioned several comments above in this same thread.

Now your duplicity has been exposed

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Hi everyone, I have to leave now, got to do some chores in the house - be back later.

Why in the hell have I been summoned to this abominable post?

[quote]Since you're always so rude as to post every comment as the start of anew thread, why should I (or anyone) give you the courtesy of using the 'reply' button.

So from now every comment I make will start a new thread[/quote]

No, it's your word, so you define it.