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Santa is welcome, but Jesus is not?

Not even the scholars know when Jesus was born, however, the day of Christmas is not the reason why Christians celebrate. While the holiday derived around a pagan holiday, for Christians, Jesus is still central to our celebration. Christmas is also derived from the Old English term, "Cristis Maesse", meaning the Mass of Christ. The celebration of Christ's birth, reminds us not only of His great love and sacrifice for us, but also the desire for universal love, joy, gratitude, and peace.

The day has nothing to do with the celebration. Where are our priorities? Christians celebrate the reason for the season...because of who Jesus is, and what He did for us. We can celebrate Christ all year round and just because we have a global celebration at a certain time of the year to emphasis our love and respect for Jesus, I don't think He's too upset about that. But I do think He is upset with people who want to do nothing but commercialize it, concentrate only on gifts, and completely ignore Him. I'm certain Satan hates it, when we celebrate Christ's birth.

I think it's a wonderful and glorious occasion when we can celebrate Jesus any time. It's the attitude of some that are pagan, that turn it into something other than what it was meant to be. We don't celebrate Christmas because the pagans did. I think God cares more about our motive, reasons, and attitude. I could be wrong, but I can't help but feel that Mary remembered and celebrated with great joy, her Savior's birthday every year, but if you don't feel comfortable doing that, then you definitely shouldn't. I personally feel the most important part of Christmas, is remembering Jesus Christ, who was born long ago to save us all (Matthew 1:21).

I think we can carry anything, too far. If you think that celebrating Christ at Christmas is going too far, then maybe we should not have funerals, or remember our loved ones on a certain day, or celebrate birthdays. Perhaps we shouldn't even have the Lord's Supper, in remembrance of Him. That occasion is held on a certain day. I think Jesus is more concerned about our heart and attitude, than the day we worship Him. Even Paul said there's no certain day that we are to gather together for worship. There was a big discussion about that, and Paul said to do what we feel is personally right. God knows where our heart is. It's pagans that turned Christmas into a gift-giving occasion, only, but that didn't include me. As with anything, we can carry things too far. Christmas is still commonly associated with Jesus's birth, and the Bible does say quite a bit about the birth of Jesus (Matthew 1-2 and Luke 1-2).

People living in the northern hemisphere celebrate winter solstice (or the shortest day of the year) smack bang in the middle of December, and this is why Christmas just so happened to fall around the same time as many existing pagan holidays. The winter solstice was a huge part of pagan life. The Romans actually celebrated two holidays in the month of December. The first was Saturnalia, which was a two-week festival honoring their god of agriculture Saturn. On December 25th, they celebrated the birth of Mithra, their sun god. We're not celebrating any pagan god. Christmas is not mentioned in the bible, one way or another and we're not told whether we should celebrate it or not. I think the whole thing has to do with our reason/heart for our celebration, and God knows where it is, when it comes to loving Him. I think he cares more about the REASON why we're celebrating.

I don't feel Jesus would be upset with us commemorating His birth...spreading the message of love, good will, and compassion: ...fostering togetherness and family bonding...remembering that He is the Light, in a world of darkness...nor for promoting Peace and Unity. It is also a time to reflect on love, compassion, and good will to others, fostering togetherness among families and communities. A time to refresh our Spirit in the Lord.
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pdockal · 56-60, M
The scholors can get close to his birthday because they were traveling to pay taxes and they know when taxes were collected @ that time

December was choose because of the pagan holiday/ celebration @ that time which did include a "Christmas tree"
LadyGrace · 80-89
@pdockal The journey to Bethlehem, was in response to a census that the Roman emperor Caesar Augustus required for all the Jewish people. Not to pay taxes.

Some Scholars say that Jesus's birthday was in April or June and some have even said September, so they do not agree.
pdockal · 56-60, M
@LadyGrace

In Luke, Joseph and Mary's trip to Bethlehem is undertaken in order to satisfy an imperial command that all individuals return to their ancestral towns “that all the world should be taxed.
LadyGrace · 80-89
@pdockal Could you give me the passage? I think those are two different events. The Gospel of Luke starts with Joseph and a pregnant Mary in Galilee. They journey to Bethlehem in response to a census that the Roman emperor Caesar Augustus required for all the Jewish people. Since Joseph was a descendant of King David, Bethlehem was the hometown where he was required to register.
pdockal · 56-60, M
@LadyGrace

Ughhhhh

Mary and Joseph went to Bethlehem to participate in a census ordered by Caesar Augustus. This was ultimately so that everyone could be accounted for and pay taxes. And it came to pass in those days that a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered
LadyGrace · 80-89
@pdockal Yes I know, but I'm asking you where does it say that they went to pay the taxes at the same time they went to register for the census? I don't think those were at the same time. I'll have to check it out again.

Another reason they went to Bethlehem was because Joseph and Mary had been visited by an angel and told that Herod would attempt to kill Jesus, their son. Doing as told, they took their infant son and fled by night into Egypt, where they stayed until Herod had died.
LadyGrace · 80-89
@pdockal Okay, I apologize. I had only read the verse that said they went to be registered. Registered being the keyword, but it had said nothing about actually paying the taxes at that same time. That's what threw me and I had not read about that and quite some time. But here's the verse on what you were saying, which is true:

Did Joseph go to Bethlehem to be taxed True False?
Luke 2:3-5 And all went to be taxed, every one into his own city. And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David:) To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child.

Thanks so much for pointing this out and refreshing my mind. 👍🙏🤗
LadyGrace · 80-89
@pdockal Beautiful. Beautiful!! Thank you so much for the correction. I think these things are important that we get the scriptures right. It's just that it had been so long since I had actually read the accounts in all four Gospels. Thank you, brother. God bless you!
pdockal · 56-60, M
@LadyGrace

Your welcome