What is the fundamental belief system of Christianity? And how is it at it's very core hypocrisy?

What is the fundamental belief system of Christianity? And how is it at it's very core hypocrisy? What is an essential part of it's very center of what they believe? It is Jesus Christ as your savior. That is their core belief. That is the foundation of their belief system. Jesus Christ is our savior from our sins. The foundation is their belief that if you do not accept Jesus Christ as your savior from your sins you shall perish. You shall suffer in hell.

You cannot say that only a few or that not all Christians believe this to be true. You must believe this. You must have faith that this is true. This is the will of God. Otherwise you are not a Christian. You are not a believer in Jesus Christ.

And this is why Christianity in its essence represents evil. In that the existence of hell is a part of the very center of their belief system. At the very center of their belief is that you should suffer you must suffer eternal damnation if you do not accept Jesus Christ as your savior from sin. And this is the epitome of hypocrisy of betrayal of abandonment of everything of every belief they hold. They deny themselves of their very salvation by condemning those who do not believe. They condemn themselves to the greatest of all sins. The damnation of others the suffering of others.

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sascha · F

What is the problem? Only children become upset when they are told that if they misbehave, they will not be getting their special treats.

Tell me why you would be upset at being rejected or possibly punished for not believing in a God that, to you, is not real.

NativePortlander1970 ·

@sascha They're taught to believe those who do not believe should be punished.

https://onemansblog.com/2011/08/06/christians-openly-advocate-killing-athiests-on-fox-news-facebook-page/

SW-User

@sascha Its not really a matter of being "upset". It is simply seeing through the absurdity of a supposed God who IS Love actually rejecting or punishing anyone simply because of lack of belief in "Him" or absurd stories about "Him". The whole theology built upon such thoughts is to be rejected n favour of far more profound theologies actually built upon the true nature of Love.

sascha · F

@SW-User Do you not believe because you think God is not very nice, or because of the stories that you consider absurd? Which one comes first?

Is there a reason God should be nice? Is love all about giving people what they want, even when they show no faith in you? This would make God a pointless entity, would it not? What would be the point if this was his outlook?

Everything you have written to me is your opinion, and it is uniquely subjective. What is "true nature of Love" supposed to mean? It sounds silly and nonsensical. Why should I or anyone else care for it?

You have your idea of love, and it may be more absurd than theirs. Consequences are part of life, and change is necessary.

SW-User

@sascha The only [b][i]unequivocal[/i][/b] statement of God's nature in the Bible is that He is Love.

God IS Love.

“[i]To say that God’s goodness may be different in kind from man’s goodness, what is it but saying, with a slight change of phraseology, that God may possibly not be good?”
[/i]
John Stuart Mill

Yes, what I post is my opinion, yet I draw conclusions from the Living Word - that any "punishment" will always be remedial and [i]limited[/i].

If your opinion is that it should be punishment for punishments sake, and infinite/eternal, simply say so.

Thanks

NativePortlander1970 ·

@sascha Personally I think that the spirit that claims to be god is a murderous narcissistic psycho sociopath.

sascha · F

@SW-User Why is it necessary for me, or anyone, to have an opinion?

Who is being punished for the sake of it? Where does it say this?

And, when is it infinite or eternal? Is it not only infinite or eternal if you choose for it to be?

sascha · F

@NativePortlander1970 Strange.

SW-User

@sascha I find your own weird "logic" strange. It seems to be some sort of "free will" defence of an eternal hell - an idea adequately refuted often.

sree251 · 41-45, M

@sascha You said: "Why is it necessary for me, or anyone, to have an opinion?"

Opinion is a point of view. We are observers and share opinions to verify points of views, do we not?

NativePortlander1970 ·

@sascha Why is it strange?

sascha · F

@SW-User Do you understand what hell is? Why do you think God discourages it?

People have a choice, according to what the Bible says. You may dismiss free will, but you should explain why. What do you think has been refuted? I am sure that free will can exist alongside omniscience.

A God who does not allow for knowledge of evil would be a dictator, and faith would be a pointless exercise. The tree of knowledge of good and evil was there to give man the ability to choose, and this knowledge and the pains that come with it are what he chose, and continued to choose. Christianity teaches that there is a way out of this. It seems to suggest a very forgiving nature, and one that seeks out change and goodness. If God wasn't forgiving, there would be no Jesus. He came for everyone, including the worst of us.

The concept should not be difficult to understand. Your failure to accept it becomes a failure, refusal, or inability to understand it. I understand the implementation is a struggle, or just not very desirable for some. The Bible itself, however, is not difficult to grasp.

SW-User

@sascha No, please do not presume such lack of undersanding in others. Maybe just consider for a moment the possibility of your own lack.

The actual reality and extent of human freedom is covered in depth in many books of devout Christians who subscribe to Universalism. Try:-

[b]Third Meditation What Is a Person? A Reflection on the Divine Image[/b]

And

[b]Fourth Meditation What Is Freedom? A Reflection on the Rational Will[/b]

These sections in Mr Hart's book "That All Shall Be Saved"

To be honest, the pomposity with which you presume the ignorance of others and imply your own profound insight is nauseating.

Thanks anyway.

NativePortlander1970 ·

@sascha LOL 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🙄 Bullshit

NativePortlander1970 ·

@sascha

[media=https://youtu.be/-suvkwNYSQo]

sascha · F

@NativePortlander1970 Comments aside, the video you have included is interesting. His sentiments are not unreasonable. Evil exists, and it hurts people. The natural conclusion to me is that God did create evil, either before or as a consequence of creating free will. Evil is horrible, and things mentioned in this interview are horrible. But, how could we appreciate and recognize good if we could not recognize bad? Perhaps God is unkind a fair amount of the time, but perhaps we misunderstand what "good" is.

What is paradise if it's all we ever know?

@SW-User What are you trying to say? Can you comment on anything specific to the Bible? Why am I supposed to care about what supposed "devout Christians" say in their personal works on universalism, which many Christians reject?

Where did I imply I have profound insight? There are lots of people in the world, and many of them appear to comprehend the Bible. These are my observations. At least 30% of the world is Christian.

Saying that you do not understand seems quite reasonable when that is what I am being presented with. Explain further, in your own words, why you think I am mistaken.