My problem with Christians

@Adstar
Thanks for the compliment. The pot calling the kettle black. It's interesting to hear your comments. Although I find them to be somewhat inaccurate.

If we are imperfect beings and need to accept Jesus as our savior to be forgiven for our imperfection then why didn't God create us as perfect beings in the first place? Why didn't God create Adam and Eve to be perfect beings to not sin, and when they did sin, why did he not offer them forgiveness?

@Adstar so let me get this straight. God creates imperfect beings. Then tells them to accept his son as their savior because he created them as imperfect beings. And since they are imperfect beings they cannot make perfect decisions but they are eternally punished if they don't make the perfect decision. Convoluted reasoning.

@Adstar I don't need your Jesus. I have enough common sense to figure things out on my own. Show kindness, understanding, patience, empathy, and a willingness to help others through knowledge, wisdom, and truth. If you desires happiness then you cannot deny another living being happiness. The purpose of life is to find perfect happiness among all living beings. Do this and you shall rise.

@Adstar if God is perfect then he cannot create something imperfect.

@James25
And so He did..
And when God created the earth He said it was GOOD... So God did create us as Good beings and we where good.. But that does not mean God created us without the ability to choose to go bad,, and we did go bad with the enticing of satan..

And your common sense it limited and faulty.. It is pride in your self that is blocking you from accepting the Atonement of the LORD Jesus.. But as the Bible reveals God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble..

And no one in this life finds any happyness without believing and trusting God.. You have not risen anywhere James your still down in the dirt as you have always been..

@Adstar your God created imperfect beings making imperfect choices

@James25 Just because God made good beings that where capable of making choices and they used their free will to make a bad choice then that does not mean God made them bad.. He made them good but they became bad by their own action.. They could have made the correct choice.. They had the ability to do that..

@Adstar they are imperfect beings and cannot always make perfect choices. Only a perfect being can always make the correct choice. You don't seem to understand that your argument is flawed. And you don't seem to understand the flaw in your arguments. And you don't seem to understand what I am saying. You seem to think that people choose to make bad choices. Yes they choose to make bad choices because they are imperfect.

@James25 No my points are valid, they are correct.. If i don't understand what you are saying then you have not saying the things you are saying clearly.. Try saying things clearly..

@Adstar it doesn't matter how clearly I try to speak. You are not capable of understanding what I am saying because you exist at a much lower level of awareness. My level of thinking is too advanced for you to understand. I know that sounds arrogant I don't know how else to say it.

@James25 it doesn't matter how clearly I try to speak. You are not capable of understanding what I am saying because you are spiritualy dead. God resits the proud but gives grace to the humble.. You are arrogant and very prideful in yourself.. So God resits you and blocks you from understanding.. Causing you to have delusion and you are subject to deception..

(2 Thessalonians 2:10-12) "And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. {11} And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: {12} That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

You're well on the way to eternal damnation in the Lake of Fire James..

@Adstar The god that you believe in is not a true perfect God. It is a false god created by you. A true perfect God would not create hell. It is only something that human beings would create. Only something that you would create. Because it is you who want people to suffer. The only reason why suffering exists is because we ourselves have created it and inflicted it upon others. This idea of Adam and Eve inheriting sin that needs to be forgiven by Jesus Christ is a false premise created by human beings to justify their own desire to make others suffer.