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Scripture For Today - "You cast all our sins into the depths of the sea." Micah 7:19

We remember our sins, because that helps us not to make the same mistakes twice. It also allows us to be empathetic towards others, who may be struggling, as we once did. The promise that the Lord will remember our sins no more, is possible through the power of the Atonement, the power from which true pure cleansing can take place. Which is why repentance must be done in the manner from which the Lord has designed, because He is the one who set the standard for Atonement.

The phrase "sea of forgetfulness" is not actually in Scripture. When people mention the “sea of forgetfulness,” they are usually referring to several passages that talk about God’s forgiveness, and how when we are justified in Christ, God forgets our sins so completely that they might as well be buried at the bottom of an ocean.

The main passage that contains the idea of a sea of forgetfulness is Micah 7:19: “He will again have compassion on us, and will subdue our iniquities. You will cast all our sins into the depths of the sea.” Another verse, Isaiah 1:18, says that "God will make our scarlet sins as white as wool." Psalm 103:12 expresses the thought in yet another way: “As far as the east is from the west, so far has He removed our transgressions from us.”

A sea of forgetfulness represents a place where our sins are sent very far away from us, so that they can no longer affect us. It does not mean that we, as believers, no longer sin. Further, forgiveness does not automatically give us a license to sin. If we love God, we will not want to sin against Him. It means that our sins no longer have any bearing on our salvation. God's Word says that Jesus’ perfect life, sacrificial death, and glorious resurrection is the only means by which we are saved (Acts 4:12). When we trust in Christ as our Savior, our salvation is secure (Romans 8:1, 31–39).

Spiritual growth requires that we recognize the total forgiveness that exists in Jesus Christ and that we rest in that forgiveness.

Many people do not believe they require salvation. They believe that they are good enough to reach heaven on their own merit, and they do not accept the truth about their own fallen state. God says these people are deceived, and they do not have a relationship with God (1 John 1:8, 10). Every person needs God’s forgiveness and salvation—a relationship based on His grace. If we admit that we are sinners and trust in Christ, He forgives and cleanses us (1 John 1:9). Our sins are no longer part of the equation and will be remembered no more (Jeremiah 31:34; Hebrews 8:12).

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Allelse · 36-40, M

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LadyGrace ·

@Allelse uh yeah, under the old laws, we're under the New Covenant now.

Adstar · 56-60, M

@Allelse Your quoted Deuteronomy 22: 28-29 is wrong.. The actual verse states the following

(Deuteronomy 22:28-29) "¶ If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; {29} Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel’s father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days."

This passage is NOT talking about Rape.. It is talking about a guy and a girl caught in the act.. It is a shotgun wedding situation..

The following verse deals with the case of Rape::

(Deuteronomy 22:25-27) "¶ But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die: {26} But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter: {27} For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her."

So in the case of Rape the rapist would get stonned to death but the girl would suffer no penalty..

Also with your quote of 1Peter2 : 18

(1 Peter 2:18) "Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward."

So the verse does not talk about slaves but servants..

Allelse · 36-40, M

@Adstar So you've rewritten it to reflect your current values? Well that's nice, maybe you can start your own cult.

So you're all good with shotgun weddings?

And you're good with people being stoned?

And servants should be subject to their employer? I take it you're not a fan of unions then?

Adstar · 56-60, M

@Allelse

@Adstar So you've rewritten it to reflect your current values?

Nope my quotes are from the King James Bible.. Which is the first English Bible.. You should have seen this by the style of old English used in my quotes.. The Bible you have quoted is the more modern English changed translation.. So the actual case here is opposite to what you are suggesting above..

So you're all good with shotgun weddings?

In those times it was the best solution.. Because no man in those times would marry a woman who had lost her vaginity while unwed.. If she was a widow it was a totally different situation.. All sexual intercourse outside the bounds of matrimony was against the will of God and still is..

And you're good with people being stoned?

Not today.. As a Christian i believe the teachings of Jesus. When Jesus came He started what in known as the Age of Grace,, meaning that kind of judgement ( stoning ) was taken out of the hands of followers of Christ.. There is still a death penalty for adultery.. But that death penalty is called the second death in the Bible and that is being cast into the eternal lake of fire.. Of course all Christians have had their sins forgiven and so no Christian will be thrown into the lake of fire..

And servants should be subject to their employer? I take it you're not a fan of unions then?

When i works i was in a union a metal workers union.. I used to work as a tradesman in a steel plant.. I have no problem with people talking with their employers collectively and coming to a mutually agree conditions and pay contract.. But once the agreement is agreed upon then the workers should comply to all the business owners requirements during the time they are contracted to work as long as it falls within the agreement.. I was subject to my supervisor during the years i worked in the steel plant..

Allelse · 36-40, M

@Adstar Oh so you're playing "BUT MY VERSION IS THE TRUE VERSION!!!". Righteo.

And the next one is a "Oh but at the time!!!" well that still doesn't make it right.

So you were ok with stoning but now you want people burned alive forever? Neither are very nice.

So you don't think unions should be allowed to bring up further problems down the road? That once agreed upon that the union should just disassemble? You were subject to your supervisor? At a steel plant? What if you get your hand cut off and they decided, yeah, nah, you're fired. Oh I know we had a contract once but we've decided we don't care.

Adstar · 56-60, M

@Allelse

@Adstar Oh so you're playing "BUT MY VERSION IS THE TRUE VERSION!!!". Righteo.

I don't play.. I believe what i say..

And the next one is a "Oh but at the time!!!" well that still doesn't make it right.

The best solution makes it right for the people in those times...

So you were ok with stoning but now you want people burned alive forever? Neither are very nice.

God makes the Laws.. I don't want anyone to get stoned and i don't want anyone to be cast into the Lake of Fire,, That's why i tell people about the loving Atonement of The LORD Jesus..

So you don't think unions should be allowed to bring up further problems down the road? That once agreed upon that the union should just disassemble?

I never said anything of the sort.. Stop projecting.. just read what i say and comment on that if you feel the need to.. Don't paste positions upon me.. things i did not say..

What if you get your hand cut off and they decided, yeah, nah, you're fired. Oh I know we had a contract once but we've decided we don't care.

The steel plant owners are also subject the the Laws of the Land. Laws of the governmental authorities and so they would have to pay me compensation.. Most people on earth are subject to one authority or another during their lives.. And in the End we shall all be subject to the ultimate Authority of the LORD..

Allelse · 36-40, M

@Adstar

Yeah you do.

No it doesn't. Wrong is still wrong.

So you've been brainwashed to the point that you're all good with a magical being burning and stoning people? And burning and stoning people for their crimes is wrong. And the whole believe in me or burn is simply extortion.

You did say it.

So because all people are subject to the law of the land, if that land is wrong then it doesn't matter because everybody are already subject to the law of the land and that's how it's supposed to be? So if the law of the land says that you go to jail if you lose your hand working at the steel mill, you're all good with that? Because you believe you should be subject to your employer and the law of the land no matter how unjust they are? Makes sense, since you no problem with being people stoned or burned alive.

Adstar · 56-60, M

@Allelse

So you've been brainwashed to the point that you're all good with a magical being burning and stoning people? And burning and stoning people for their crimes is wrong. And the whole believe in me or burn is simply extortion.

No one brain washed me.. I became a Christian in my early 20's from reading the Bible myself..

You can call it extortion but it is the truth.. Make your choice and you will be held responsible for it..

So because all people are subject to the law of the land, if that land is wrong then it doesn't matter because everybody are already subject to the law of the land and that's how it's supposed to be?

Law of God It is not the law of the land..

So if the law of the land says that you go to jail if you lose your hand working at the steel mill, you're all good with that?

That's a moronic point.. No where in the Bible does it say anyone goes to jail if they lose a hand in a steel mill accident... Your not even making an analogy??? It's not even a point..

law of the land no matter how unjust they are?

Again Law of God... When the Law of the Land is opposed to the Law of God then it should be disobeyed..

Makes sense, since you no problem with being people stoned or burned alive.

Your points never made any sense to start with.. Try and get your thoughts together and reply with a calm mind instead of being blinded by emotion and shooting from the hip..

Allelse · 36-40, M

@Adstar Still brainwashed. So you're still all good with stoning and burning people?

So as long as your god is all good with burning people alive then so are you? You don't think burning people alive is wrong?

You said people should be subject to their employer and the law of the land, and if the law of the land is you go to jail for losing a hand in a steel mill, you're all good with that?

So if your god says it's alright to rape then it's alright to rape? Like when Lot's daughters got him drunk and raped him.

What are you confused about? You have no problem with people being burned alive and stoned to death, which is just sick. A bunch of fairy tales in a book you read in your 20s and now you want people to burn for all eternity, it's very sick.

Punches · 46-50, F

@Allelse In Lady Grace's defense, yeah she has her faith but she isn't all "hellfire and brimstone" about it at least.

For the hellfire & brimstone crowd, I wonder if they struggle with that belief when one of their unsaved loved ones dies? Do they just brush it off with the same indifference as throwing out last week's leftovers?

Allelse · 36-40, M

@Punches Who knows, religion does funny things to people.

Adstar · 56-60, M

@Punches I have had unbelieving relatives die.. I do not struggle with the eternal lake of fire.. You don't cease to believe God because someone you know is probably destined to the eternal lake of fire.. No there is no indifference.. There is mourning for the dead.. I know from years of sharing the gospel that you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink... There is no alternative but to accept the ultimate reality no matter how close the person that has died is to you..

If someone you love dies in an earthquake you don't suddenly start disbelieving in earthquakes.. That would be insanity.. Nope earthquakes exist and some people will get killed in earthquakes, loved ones or not..

Allelse · 36-40, M

@Adstar There are so many layers of dumb in what you just said that I'm going to have a nap, that's just too much dumb humanity for me for today.

Adstar · 56-60, M

@Allelse

So if your god says it's alright to rape then it's alright to rape? Like when Lot's daughters got him drunk and raped him.

There was no statement from God in the Bible approving of what Lots daughters did.. The Bible reveals the sins of the people recorded in the Bible.. We do not worship the people in the Bible as being some kind of paragons of virtue.. We see them warts and all.. God and His message is to be embraced and believed, not the actions of faulty human beings..

What are you confused about? You have no problem with people being burned alive and stoned to death, which is just sick. A bunch of fairy tales in a book you read in your 20s and now you want people to burn for all eternity, it's very sick.

Again you are reduced to projection.. The greatest motivation i have to share the Gospel is the knowledge that people are on their way to eternal torment in that Lake of Fire.. I want people to be saved from the Lake of fire and that's why i share the good news that Jesus suffered death to save people from the Lake of fire..

Adstar · 56-60, M

@Allelse

@Adstar There are so many layers of dumb in what you just said that I'm going to have a nap, that's just too much dumb humanity for me for today.

Just a statement.. With nothing to back it up.. Water off a ducks back for me Alleise..

Punches · 46-50, F

@Allelse I used to work with a guy who was at one point a hardcore Catholic but then had to take some psyche courses in college. I do not remember what he said happened but he realized he had been completely duped and was really pissed off about ever having been caught up in "faith". He was a hardcore atheist after his psyche studies.

@Adstar I figured as much. You know, openly religious people are often marginalized for a reason. Like when going to someone's house and they might be like "Oh, one thing - his mom is religious so be sure to walk on eggshells."

Adstar · 56-60, M

@Punches

@Adstar I figured as much. You know, openly religious people are often marginalized for a reason. Like when going to someone's house and they might be like "Oh, one thing - his mom is religious so be sure to walk on eggshells."

Well Jesus said His followers would be hated in this world.. And many atheists do a lot of hating so Jesus Words are confirmed as truth to me.. Actually i am not the type to push my beliefs to people who are not interested in them.. But oinline in threads like this where Religion is being discussed.. Yep i am very forward.. If people don't want to encounter religous talk in SW they avoid religious discussions, they don't post on the topic..

Allelse · 36-40, M

@Punches Now you done it, now he feels oppressed.

Allelse · 36-40, M

@Adstar You don't have anything to back any of what you say, you just wave around some old fairy tales.

Allelse · 36-40, M

@Adstar So that's how you live with that story? well that's a new one.

They're not headed anywhere, you're just delusional and not only that but you think people should be burned alive for not believing what you believe. That's just sick. I men I'll never understand the fuss about Harry Potter, but I'm glad their fans aren't telling me I'm going to burn alive unless I join the fandom.

Adstar · 56-60, M

@Allelse

I give warning of the judgement of God.. What i personally think of the eternal lake of fire is neither here or there.. My personal opinion will not determine anyone's eternal destination.. You can call something sick if you want to.. You might call a volcanic eruption which destroys people with a Pyroclastic flow to be sick.. But that does not make the reality of volcanic eruptions suddenly cease to exist.. When a volcanologist warns locals around a volcano that they need to take action to ensure they avoid that terrible outcome, The volcanologist is not looking forward to watching the people get carbonized by a Pyroclastic flow.. He is alerting them in the hopes they will listen and take action to avoid that outcome..

Allelse · 36-40, M

@Adstar The volcano isn't sentient, while a supreme all powerful deity is and has the choice to burn or not to burn people alive, and he chooses to burn people. Which is sick and wrong.

Adstar · 56-60, M

@Allelse

@Adstar The volcano isn't sentient, while a supreme all powerful deity is and has the choice to burn or not to burn people alive, and he chooses to burn people. Which is sick and wrong.

It matters not a Jot if God is or is not Sentient.. If God is God and his will is as revealed then human beings must deal with His will no matter if it is uncomfortable for them... If a person gives me a warning and the warning is real then i will seek to take the effective response needed to save myself from the warnings outcome... This isn't rocket science Alleise..

Allelse · 36-40, M

@Adstar You don't believe God has any freewill of his own?

Adstar · 56-60, M

@Allelse His nature is perfect in all areas so He cannot compromise anywhere.. If He did compromise and do something to undermine His perfection in one area or another then He would cease to be God.. He would end up being just another spirit being like angels.. Not worthy of worship..

Gods will to create creation was i believe a free willed decision.. He has an eternal objective in mind and was prepared to allow his creation to be sabotaged as a necessary phase to obtain His eternal objective..

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