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God on trial

God on Trial is a 2008 television play written by Frank Cottrell-Boyce. The play takes place in Auschwitz during World War II. The Jewish prisoners put God on trial in absentia for abandoning the Jewish people. The question is whether God has broken his covenant with the Jewish people by allowing the Germans to commit genocide. I like to present this as evidence why we as believers still believe. What to do with God in hell on earth? Do we find him lacking? Yes, but the real question is what to do next. Acceptance that it's not a one way relationship and turn to prayer. "So what do we do?" says one prisoner. "We pray," says the other, and they all rise, face one way and begin to pray. The scene fades to the present day, with visitors to Auschwitz standing stunned in the same space; the ghostly figures of the prisoners are seen among them, praying.

Rutterman · 46-50, M Best Comment
Sounds like an interesting and though-provoking film. I'll have to check it out.

Carazaa · F
God warned them that he would scatter them if they marry pagans and follow other gods and they would be killed. But in the last generation he would give them their own land back. It is a profecy fulfilled! God is good all the time!And He came down to rescue them from sin. He took their sins on his own shoulders. What a mighty God we have.
JSul3 · 70-79
@Carazaa So he ignored the prayers of the Jews as they were killed by the Nazis.

Just as I thought.
Carazaa · F
[b]Ezekiel 36:22 [/b][b][c=7700B2]“Therefore say to the Israelites, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: It is not for your sake, people of Israel, that I am going to do these things, but for the sake of my holy name, which you have profaned among the nations where you have gone. 23 I will show the holiness of my great name, which has been profaned among the nations, the name you have profaned among them. Then the nations will know that I am the Lord, declares the Sovereign Lord, when I am proved holy through you before their eyes.

24 “‘For I will take you out of the nations; I will gather you from all the countries and bring you back into your own land. 25 I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your impurities and from all your idols. 26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws.[/c][/b]
JSul3 · 70-79
@Carazaa That does not address why he refused to step in and stop the Holocaust.

What is YOUR opinion?
Old scenario

God isn’t real

God is real and chose to do nothing. (Guilty)

God is real and can’t do anything to stop what he set in motion. (Guilty)


God is guilty

Believe whatever you want…just be aware of what you give yourself to..
Axeroberts · 56-60, M
@SW-User how about God doesn't interfere or it wouldn't be reality. Otherwise it's staged and meaningless. Or why not have Him interfere in everything that isn't good. However God comforts within the circumstances. That is what they are praying for.
@Axeroberts you are looking for the fairies in the garden.
val70 · 51-55
@Axeroberts In essence you are right. Look at how the movie ends. Does it end with the visitors seeing the SS guards with their Gott mit uns belt buckels? No, the visitors can rather still envision the rabbis praying there. Likewise, is there anything substantial left of Hitler to put against the establisment and maintenance of Israel as a democratic state? Mankind has always shown to be in the wrong and its lot can only be changed by lamenting this. Lament through prayer is the only option left
JSul3 · 70-79
It is documented that many survivors of the Holocaust, who were deeply religious, questioned where god was during this horrific event.
Many became atheist or agnostic. Who could blame them?
Perhaps god is an antisemite.
@val70 I don't think it should be anything. It's just the way it turned out. But the idea that the Holocaust was good in any way because it led to the creation of Israel is disgusting. There had been movement toward a Jewish state in that area since the 1880s at least, and with the end of colonialism from the 1950s to the 1970s, its creation was inevitable. The British weren't going to hang onto the Mandate forever.
val70 · 51-55
@LeopoldBloom I think that there's another problem in your logic there. The Holocaust came first and many more people were of the opinion after it that the Jewish people needed a land of their own like in the promise by the British government decades earlier on the matter. It happened because of those two events: the Balfour Declaration and then the Holocaust
@val70 Given the demand for a Jewish state and the decolonization movement starting in the 1950s, there would have been a Jewish state in some form by the 1960s at the latest. The question is whether there also would have been a Palestinian one. The Holocaust did accelerate the process however.
JSul3 · 70-79
Evidently god retired and became a spectator to world events (the good, the bad, and the ugly) when Jesus arrived.
We are told to ignore the Old Testament now, and the New Testament is now the law.
A nice way to take god off the hook.
val70 · 51-55
@JSul3 A nicer way is not to think and read any more. The evidence to that in the reacties is plain to see :-)
JSul3 · 70-79
@val70 I continue to read, but the edited, multi-translated book known as the King James version bible, is no longer part of my reading list or reference guide.
Scribbles · 31-35, F
Yes. Very interesting to watch. :)
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
If the Abrahamic God exists, he is either not all good or not omniscient.
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
@val70 as opposed to others below who justify it or handwave it away?

Pray tell, what be said to me?
When my father's ancestors were wiped out by Catholic conquistadors?
Or my mother's ancestors starved to death by Protestants?
val70 · 51-55
@basilfawlty89 It's like Voltaire said: the right of free speech is more important than the content of the speech. And also: the institution of religion exists only to keep mankind in order, and to make men merit the goodness of God by their virtue. Everything in a religion which does not tend towards this goal must be considered foreign or dangerous
Axeroberts · 56-60, M
@basilfawlty89 or you do not understand Him 🤔
Rutterman · 46-50, M
Thank you for Best Comment.
[quote]Do we find him lacking? Yes, but the real question is what to do next.[/quote]
Continue praying to the God who couldn't save their lives? Or is it that he wouldn't? Either way, my preference is for a god who can get things done. A god who does nothing might as well be nonexistent.
val70 · 51-55
@LordShadowfire I say that you had bad manners in my other posting today. I was right. I told you that we discussed this months ago, and now you're in my next posting. You must really like yourself. Play the victim yourself. You're caught with your pants down, mate
@val70 You are the one attacking me for having a simple question about why God didn't interfere with the slaughter of millions of human beings. Then you get subtly sarcastic, just nasty enough to start a fight, and then blame it all on me.

Have fun playing the victim. We've all watched you do it numerous times.
val70 · 51-55
@LordShadowfire Le plaisir de t'envoyer était à nouveau tout pour moi. Salut! :)
Renaci · 36-40
God once existed but was executed for countless genocides, several exintion level events and blatant cosmological terrorism.
val70 · 51-55
@Renaci Oh yes, Jesus Christ :-)

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