The God of nature and the God of supernature

By the God of nature, I refer to the God that man knows from his reason and intelligence.

By the God of supernature, I refer to the God that Christians know from the Bible (or the Koran for Muslims).

Here is my division of the three ways man comes to know God exists:
1. By reasoning
2. By reading the Bible (or the Koran for Muslims)
3. By meditation

From my part, I know God exists by the num 1 modus i.e. reasoning.

What about everyone else here, in particular I like to ask atheists whether they know about God (and deny He exists) by which way: num 1 or num 2 or num 3 ?

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yrger · 80-89, M

Hi everyone in particular atheists, I guess DocSavage has depleted his stock of knowledge, I was thinking that he and I would be into a dialogue together, now I am inviting anyone in particular an atheist to dialog with me on the substance of the post below.

yrger · 80-89, M
Addressing everyone, I am waiting for DocSavage to reply to my last post to him:

yrger · 80-89, M
@DocSavage

You see I always want to exchange ideas and information and knowledge with another human, but everyone who did care to discuss with me, they literally run away because they had already depleted their 'knowledge'.

Are you a knowledge person, in which case I do care to exchange knowledge with you.

So, to the issue, "Is the default status of reality existence or not?"

You and I are correct, there is only existence that is reality, and there is never any default status of reality that is nothingness.

Now, the next question I propose we answer and agree on is this: Do we have an example of some entity or thing that is self-existent, because his or its default status is self-existence?

What do you say, DocSavage.

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yrger · 80-89, M

@DocSavage

You are incoherent.

I don't change my definition of the God of nature, I just get to know more about the God of nature, from thinking seriously in my mind, and then going outside my mind to seek evidence for the God of nature, in the world that is independent of my thinking mind.

I got more and more evidence, and thus arrived at a more and more complete idea of Him.

This is my latest definition of the God of nature:

"God (of nature) is the permanent self-existent spirit creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient."

You DocSavage, let you concentrate on the God of supernature in the Bible.

DocSavage · M

@yrger/stoolsample

You started out with one god. Now you got two. You’re just making it up as you go. How christian of you.
So, was it the supernatural god that offered the afterlife and brought evil and sin into the world.? Did he take over and put his kid in change ? Is he self existing or did your god make him ?
You really got to work on that.

yrger · 80-89, M

@DocSavage

You are I know for certain to have been a fundamentalist Bible Christian previously, so let you tell me and everyone else what is your idea of the God of supernature.

From my part, I am into knowing God from reason and intelligence, and so from reason and intelligence I come to know the Whom I call the God of nature.

Here is my latest definition of the God of nature:
"The God (of nature) is the permanent self-existent spirit creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient."

@DocSavage

Allow me to suggest to you to look up the Apostles' Creed for a most precise and biblically grounded statement of the God of supernature.

yrger · 80-89, M

@DocSavage This is getting to be funny, you have depleted your stock knowledge, including all you fellow atheists.

DocSavage · M

@yrger/chunkhead

Here is my latest definition of the God of nature:
"The God (of nature) is the permanent self-existent spirit creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient."

So, you changed it again. Now, he’s a Nature god. Shares the stage with the super nature god. He’s still a spirit, so is the other material ? Is that how you god built the universe? He imported the matter from the other god’s universe, contracted out the blueprints, and created everything at once, or did he spread it out over 13 billion years . He then let the super nature god, and his son Jesus set up a protection racket, for nonexistent souls for a nonexistent Heaven, frightening them with a nonexistent Hell ?
And your nature god just sits back, and gets a piece of the action ?
Is that how you see things ? Did your god arrange plagues, floods and natural disasters to get rid of the other old religions too ?
And you just figured this out by reason. Very convenient.

DocSavage · M

@yrger/chunkhead

You are I know for certain to have been a fundamentalist Bible Christian

Why ? Because I actually know something about the subject ? Basic bible mythology. Thank Cecil B Demille.