The God of nature and the God of supernature

@LeopoldBloom
@DocSavage

God is everywhere i.e. even inside your ears and inside your intestines, otherwise how and why are your ears hearing and your intestines are digesting foods?

God is a spirit, the best kind of an explanation of what is a spirit, I will compare a spirit to air or space or time - and that does not make you God.

Here is my definition for the God of nature:
"God is the permanent self-existent spirit creator and operator in nature like man and the universe and everything transient."

I know the God of nature exists, by thinking with my mind and intelligence, not by reading the Bible or the Koran.

Now you ask me what is the God of supernature, I tell you He is the God described in the Bible as working miracles, like making the moon and the sun to stand still.

I challenge every atheists to explain ultimately what or who ultimately cause everything to work, like say the stars in the sky and the lungs inside your chest.

And don't say you don't know, unless you belong to the likes of cattle and donkeys and frogs.

@yrger Humans are animals, so we do work the same way other animals do.

You're engaging in the God of the Gaps fallacy, where anything you don't personally understand is attributed to "God."

Please explain the specific mechanism whereby the "spirit" of God created everything and causes everything to happen. If you're going to elevate God to a scientific theory, you should have a mechanistic explanation.

@LeopoldBloom


Ultimately God did it, that is obvious to a human with a mind and reason and intelligence.

Or you LeopoldBloom ultimately have an explanation that is not ultimately God did it.

So, let me read your ultimately explanation that God did not do it, but what then did create the material/physical universe which is ultimately composed of particles.

Where do these particles come from ultimately?

From nothingness? That's absurd, and you have an absurd mind.

Particles need a creator master-mind operator to make them and keep them together - and ultimately this God permanent self-existent agent turned the particles into man - whom He endowed with a mind and reason and intelligence.

Yes, yes yes ultimately God did eveything that is not God Himself.

Or you want to state that you don't know, in which case forgive me, but you belong to the likes of cattle and donkeys and frogs.

It's obvious that ultimately God did everything that is not God Himself, else what did everything that is not God Himself - atheistic scientists?

They who fear to see behind the Big Bang because God is present there as also everywhere and everywhen the creator of everything that is not Himself.

That is obvious to the rational intelligent human.

What is obvious needs no argument, unless the subject human belongs to the likes of cattle and donkeys and frogs (no insult directed against these otherwise noble creations of God).

@yrger Please explain the mechanism God employed. If you aren't capable of doing that, maybe you should show a little humility instead of insulting people who point out that your position is illogical, absurd, and incoherent.

@LeopoldBloom

Let me learn from you, what tell me is your ultimate mechanistic explanation for the existence of man and the universe and everything that is not self-existing.

@yrger The universe started with the Big Bang for which there is incontestable evidence. We don't know what happened prior to that or if it even makes sense to ask that question. It would be like asking what is north of the North Pole. There are theories but nothing proven yet.

Structure is a property of matter. If conditions like the gravitational constant or the speed of light were different, we wouldn't be here to wonder about them.

Humanity evolved from simpler lifeforms following natural selection, going back to the first molecules that were able to replicate themselves.

Explanations requiring an invisible, all-powerful being are deficient in that they not only fail to explain the origin of this being, they fail to explain how an immaterial intelligence can affect material reality. The fact that you've never even asked yourself this question shows how shallow your thinking is.

The Bible is a collection of poetry, mythology, rules for behavior, and historically-based fiction, written over several centuries by different people, then collected by the early Catholic church. It's no more a scientific treatise than the Quran, the Tao Te Ching, the Upanishads, the Holy Piby, or Dianetics.

@LeopoldBloom This is getting to be funny, you have depleted your stock knowledge, including all you fellow atheists.

@yrger It's pathetic that a man like you in his ninth decade of life is still so childish and ignorant. I have had some amazing discussions with religious people, but there has to be a spirit of give and take. All you want to do is spout the line you've been indoctrinated with, while insulting anyone who disagrees with you.

@yrger/stoolsample
Which god are you talking about ? The nature or the super nature. You have two now, remember. Near as I can tell , the super nature god is the Christian god, and you consider him second banana.Is he self existing too ? Or was he created by your god ? Which brings us back to the earlier question. Does your super nature god follow biblical mythology?
You said before your nature god isn’t related to Christianity, or religion
He’s just the ultimate source of life. Some why bring in the other guy ?
Yahweh brought a lot of baggage with him. Sin, floods, destruction, Hell, what was your god thinking ?