The God of nature and the God of supernature

By the God of nature, I refer to the God that man knows from his reason and intelligence.

By the God of supernature, I refer to the God that Christians know from the Bible (or the Koran for Muslims).

Here is my division of the three ways man comes to know God exists:
1. By reasoning
2. By reading the Bible (or the Koran for Muslims)
3. By meditation

From my part, I know God exists by the num 1 modus i.e. reasoning.

What about everyone else here, in particular I like to ask atheists whether they know about God (and deny He exists) by which way: num 1 or num 2 or num 3 ?

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yrger · 80-89, M

Hi DocSavage, you say: "From what I’ve read, you changed your definition again."

You are not capable of precision reading.

Tell me what is my previous definition and my present definition, otherwise I feel sorry for you because you are not capable of precision reading.

Go and acquire by practice the skill of precision reading.

DocSavage · MNudity

yrger/stoolsample

Back again are we ? same old shit, posting more of the same old shit. Still pining on your self exist spirit god. From what I’ve read, you changed your definition again. Now you’re trying to convince us that your god is a natural being, as opposed to a supernatural being. And again, you’re assuming that Atheists can’t understand the difference, due to our biblical upbringing. Another straw man, you’re still claiming that an intelligent, self aware being created the cosmos.. Only now by natural means, instead of simply willing it into existence such as all god in myth.
This god you “reason” is ultimately responsible for space you occupy and the time you waste.
However, this god still won’t work. You still have to break your first rule that something can not come from nothing. A natural god would still have to process both the ability to plan ahead and the ability to manipulate the elements of creation to implement that plan. How far can you plan ahead, when time itself doesn’t exist ?
Your fallacy is you keep insisting that some kind of being must exist, regardless of whatever version of god we Atheist deny or religion supports.

DocSavage · M

@yrger/ stoolsample
Natural or supernatural. Your god is still beyond the limits of the physical reality we occupy. An outside intelligence, guiding our existence.
With abilities that have no reason to exist ( and no evidence) for reasons we can’t comprehend.
You still keep god as a spirit world being , outside time and space. That is not “natural “ when you can’t prove a spirit world exist.

yrger · 80-89, M

@DocSavage

I am into the God of nature, not the God of supernature about which you are concerned, because you are a biblical atheist, for previously having been a fundamentalist Bible Christian.

I know the God of nature by investigating the natural material/physical universe which is ultimately composed of particles.

You know that, so I ask you: Did the particles create themselves?

Explain to me how and why the event occurred, which scientists call the cosmic microwave background radiation, that is phenomenon that ushered in the existence of nature.

DocSavage · M

@yrger/stoolsample
Your god created himself, so it’s possible. There’s no reason for your double standards. If god can do it, so can other things.
According to you, he didn’t even need supernatural powers to do it. So the process can’t be that unusual.
Besides, if there is a supernatural god, you wouldn’t know the difference, would you ? God, had no witnesses. Once again you have nothing.

yrger · 80-89, M

@DocSavage This is getting to be funny, you have depleted your stock knowledge, including all you fellow atheists.