DOES A SOLDIER WHO KILLS IN WAR GO TO HEAVEN OR HELL ❓
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BlueSkyKing · M
PathwayMachine · M
@BlueSkyKing It's a shame that atheists who use reason and logic aren't more scholarly than religious in their approach to the Bible. With that in mind, an answer to your statement.
No. They didn't go to heaven, they went to hell. Like Jesus did. (Psalm 16:10; Acts 2:27) There are several problems with your religious answer. 1. There was no hell because hell is an English word meaning to cover, conceal. The Hebrew sheol and Greek hades are translated into hell, grave, pit, etc. which in 1611 (KJV) hell meant exactly that. They all mean the grave. That's why God is in effect (not literally but figuratively) in hell (the grave) keeping an eye on those deserving resurrection. (Amos 9:2; Psalm 139:7)
2. The Bible doesn't have an Old and New testament. The terms are based on a Latin mistranslation of the Greek diatheke at 2 Corinthians 3:14. The practice of dividing them began about the same time as the adoption of the pagan mythological hell. The KJV you see, was adopted from the Latin Vulgate as many older translations were.
3. The Jews didn't believe anyone went to heaven. The meek shall inherit the Earth, not heaven. They believed in resurrection. The Christians did as well, of course because they were the same. Originally the message of the Messiah wasn't meant for unbelievers or gentiles. Only Jews. When the Jews rejected the Messiah the opportunity of resurrection was extended to the gentile. Beginning, as it happened, with an Army officer with the Italian band of the Roman army, Cornelius and his family. (Acts 10:1-22)
In becoming a Christian he probably no longer served as a soldier, since Christians didn't do that. When the Jews did all of the killing and conquest they did it specifically for Yahweh, their God, in order that he may put his plan into action. Making a country of Laws to demonstrate the need for a Messiah and to bring about that Messiah, Christ Jesus.
Modern day Christianity is a corrupted paradigm rooted in pagan mythology beginning in earnest with the pagan Pontifex Maximus, and he - Constantine - never became a Christian as he served as Pontifex Maximus only three days before his death. His adoption of Christianity was a political rather than theological or even religious move. That was in 325 CE. But, of course, the Jews had done the same thing with Alexander the Great in 332 BCE.
So the Bible is true. Judaism and Christianity are false. But as it turns out, so is atheism.
https://biblehub.com/psalms/16-10.htm
https://biblehub.com/acts/2-27.htm
https://biblehub.com/amos/9-2.htm
https://biblehub.com/psalms/139-7.htm
https://biblehub.com/acts/10-1.htm
No. They didn't go to heaven, they went to hell. Like Jesus did. (Psalm 16:10; Acts 2:27) There are several problems with your religious answer. 1. There was no hell because hell is an English word meaning to cover, conceal. The Hebrew sheol and Greek hades are translated into hell, grave, pit, etc. which in 1611 (KJV) hell meant exactly that. They all mean the grave. That's why God is in effect (not literally but figuratively) in hell (the grave) keeping an eye on those deserving resurrection. (Amos 9:2; Psalm 139:7)
2. The Bible doesn't have an Old and New testament. The terms are based on a Latin mistranslation of the Greek diatheke at 2 Corinthians 3:14. The practice of dividing them began about the same time as the adoption of the pagan mythological hell. The KJV you see, was adopted from the Latin Vulgate as many older translations were.
3. The Jews didn't believe anyone went to heaven. The meek shall inherit the Earth, not heaven. They believed in resurrection. The Christians did as well, of course because they were the same. Originally the message of the Messiah wasn't meant for unbelievers or gentiles. Only Jews. When the Jews rejected the Messiah the opportunity of resurrection was extended to the gentile. Beginning, as it happened, with an Army officer with the Italian band of the Roman army, Cornelius and his family. (Acts 10:1-22)
In becoming a Christian he probably no longer served as a soldier, since Christians didn't do that. When the Jews did all of the killing and conquest they did it specifically for Yahweh, their God, in order that he may put his plan into action. Making a country of Laws to demonstrate the need for a Messiah and to bring about that Messiah, Christ Jesus.
Modern day Christianity is a corrupted paradigm rooted in pagan mythology beginning in earnest with the pagan Pontifex Maximus, and he - Constantine - never became a Christian as he served as Pontifex Maximus only three days before his death. His adoption of Christianity was a political rather than theological or even religious move. That was in 325 CE. But, of course, the Jews had done the same thing with Alexander the Great in 332 BCE.
So the Bible is true. Judaism and Christianity are false. But as it turns out, so is atheism.
https://biblehub.com/psalms/16-10.htm
https://biblehub.com/acts/2-27.htm
https://biblehub.com/amos/9-2.htm
https://biblehub.com/psalms/139-7.htm
https://biblehub.com/acts/10-1.htm
BlueSkyKing · M
@PathwayMachine The bible is a work of fiction. Atheism is nothing more than non-belief.
PathwayMachine · M
@BlueSkyKing Not that you could demonstrate or back up your claim regarding the Bible, but it doesn't really matter whether it is fiction or non-fiction if you've got it all wrong. And atheism is an ideological fixation, a sociopolitical frustration with a quasi-theocracy. Since the quasi-theocracy is a nonsensical ideology it is hardly surprising that the response is as well.
BlueSkyKing · M
@PathwayMachine My working adage is: If it’s not science, it’s superstition. There is zero evidence for any gods. Becoming an atheist took a long time for me. If I knew about slavery being promoted, it would have been sooner.
PathwayMachine · M
@BlueSkyKing That isn't science, that's Scientism. You've only switched ideologies. Both of them claim to have "evidence" but don't. You're objection to slavery is an emotionally driven ignorance of the subject, and mostly cultural. You are a slave, you just don't know it.
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And you're wrong about gods as well. The English word god was used by the pagans prior to the Christian missionaries adopting the word. It means to pour or libate because that is what the pagans did to express their respect, veneration, i.e. worship. A god is anything or anyone venerated. Which not only means there are countless gods that exist in a literal sense (the Cross, Eric Clapton, Frodo, Kim Jong Un, etc.), but also that a god doesn't have to exist in order to be a god (Amaterasu, Dagon, etc.).
That's how silly your ideology is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_(word)
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And you're wrong about gods as well. The English word god was used by the pagans prior to the Christian missionaries adopting the word. It means to pour or libate because that is what the pagans did to express their respect, veneration, i.e. worship. A god is anything or anyone venerated. Which not only means there are countless gods that exist in a literal sense (the Cross, Eric Clapton, Frodo, Kim Jong Un, etc.), but also that a god doesn't have to exist in order to be a god (Amaterasu, Dagon, etc.).
That's how silly your ideology is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_(word)