Pre-trib rapture is Satanic deception from Matgaret Macdonalds visions during a sickness in 1830, and Edward Irving thought this was from God.

Thanks for the insight

Also, scripture says believers shall meet the Lord [b]only in the air[/b] during the rapture, but during the Second Coming the Lord will come back with His army and actually [b]set foot on the Earth.[/b]

What an absolutely hateful thing for a person who calls themself a Christian, to say. You know I differ with you on the rapture and that's okay, but I would never call someone else's different opinion about that, demonic. The Bible does speak contrary to your belief on the rapture and so do many of the greatest ministers preach on pre-tribulation rapture. It is not from Satan and I have Bible scripture to show that pre-tribulation rapture coincides with the Bible and if anyone could prove differently to me, I would be willing to change my mind, but there seems to be too much biblical proof backed up by scripture that says differently. I have read all of your posts about the rapture and you had said before you don't even believe in the rapture. You went back and forth and now you're saying it's a devil's lie. That's really awful. When people don't study their Bible and don't get your high hat on, because I'm not speaking of you, but when others don't really study and dig into the word, then they don't understand all that goes into Bible study and or the Bible, then they'll agree with anyone. What do you think the rapture is for? The rapture will usher in the tribulation period and the timing is perfect according to Daniel and Revelation.

[quote]Because visions are from Satan not from Jesus.[/quote]

How do we know they are demonic? And you say we know that, because visions are from Satan and are demonic? Where in the world have you been? John had a vision in Revelation and many of the Christian men of old had visions that God gave them and the Bible even says that God does give visions. You said God doesn't give visions? He sure does!

(@Carazaa)[quote]The truth is that after the tribulation in those days the dead in christ will rise first, and then we who are alive will meet him in the air and then we will forever be with christ.[/quote]

Sorry but the truth is, we won't meet the Lord n the air at the Second Coming. Scripture says believers will be gone in the rapture [u]before[/u] the last three and a half years of the tribulation as he will save us from the "wrath to come", the tribulation period.

Let's see. You called me a bully, unloving, and not a born again Christian. How loving of you.

Look at Daniel's 70th week in the book of Daniel, which we are in, in which he speaks prophetically of the rapture to come. We are in Daniel's 70th week right now, in which the rapture could have occur at any moment.

What about Mid-Trib, Post-Trib, or Pre-Wrath Rapture?
What about Amillennialism ? Pre-Millennialsm? Post-Millenialism?

What form of eschatology do you believe is theologically orthodox?

It would be satanic if it denied the Trinity, Virgin Birth and Christ's sacrifice and ressurection, but it does neither. So it's not Satanic.

Revelation 3:10

[b][quote][quote]Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.[/quote][/quote][/b]

I chose to disagree

Even Joseph had vision to accept Mary as his wife.

During the brief time when I was a full-fledged Bible-believing Christian, I fell into the trap of believing in the rapture, so I feel like I'm somewhat qualified to explain where in the Bible these people get their source. And it's cherry picking in the extreme, beyond what I consider to be the normal cherry picking engaged in by Christians. Like, even for people who believe the overall narrative of the Bible, the pre-trib rapture is so much of a stretch, you need to prepare your tendons first.

Your claim that Jesus doesn't give visions is blatantly false. What do you think Revelation is? Daniel? Paul's experience? Abraham? Joseph?