Many "christians " will have the door shut, like these 5 virgins that Jesus talked about. They were not watching and waiting for Jesus!

@Colonelmustardseed Amen to that! Works never can be confused with salvation, which Ephesians clearly states that we are saved by grace and not by works, lest we should boast!

@Carazaa you know you always accuse me of trying to come to your posts and falsely accuse you and of being rude, but that is definitely not the case, as you have seen that I do praise those things in verses which are correct according to God's Word, not according to me. But the minute I disagree with you, I'm accused of trying to be rude and interrupt your posts. That's when you start yelling at me. God is not the author of confusion. When I point out in Scripture where you have mistakenly interpreted text, and the scripture proves it, you are so stubborn you can't stand it when I prove by scripture that you are misinterpreting it. Are you above learning? Don't insist that a scripture is wrong, when it clearly states in Romans that we cannot earn our salvation! There's absolutely no way to misinterpret that verse and twisted to mean that we can work for our salvation. Same with the rapture. You didn't confront me with it but you sure indirectly referred to me when you said that some falsely believe in the pre-tribulation rapture. That's another area we have always disagreed upon. If I didn't care about you and love you as a sister in Christ, I would not bring these things up. Someone is obviously teaching you the opposite of what Christ said in His Word about our performance having anything to do with salvation. Don't get mad at me, discuss it. This is why Jesus said in His Word that scripture is given for reproof, examination, discussion and to learn when we're misinterpreting it and to help our Brothers and Sisters in Christ when we see that they are. Not to condemn them! Scripture is profitable for reproof or rebuke, also for exposing or pointing out sin to the unsaved. Scripture is useful for correction. Scripture both points out sin and offers a solution to it. Scripture is profitable for training in righteousness.

I'm merely pointing out where you have misinterpreted scripture. Not criticizing! It upsets me when you teach on here that salvation can be earned by works, when scripture clearly clearly says it cannot be earned. How could you interpret Ephesians any other way? We can't say we know nor can judge that "most people in church are not saved! They thought they can "accept" Jesus, and do whatever they want." We do not [b]know[/b] their hearts and minds. So we can't judge that. God does not go back on His promise of salvation. Once we are given the Holy Spirit of Truth and salvation, God will not pluck it out from us if we make a mistake. If that were the case, then Christ would have to die on the cross every time we sinned. Once was enough. The Holy Spirit is our "seal of salvation".... that seal represents a finished transaction. Once we are sealed, God will not revoke that seal. If he did he would be going back on His Word to save us eternally according to John 3:16 and there is no condemnation to those that have been saved. No more judgment stays on us. He forgives and forgets our sins.

@Carazaa Paul says at the judgment of the BELIEVER'S WORKS, each will receive a reward according to his or her LABOR. Matthew 5:12 speaks of great reward in heaven and 2 John 8 speaks of a full reward, both references indicating that the rewards will not all be the same. Rewards represents works and works have nothing to do with salvation. It has nothing to do with our performance, but everything to do with the promises of God. The Bible says, "Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven." Clearly, salvation cannot be earned. We cannot take credit for Christ's atonement for our sins on the cross... plain and simple.

Ephesians 1:13 “And you also were included in Christ, when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation."

In Ephesians 1:13–24, the word 'salvation' is explicitly mentioned. Paul states that because his audience 'heard' and 'believed' the gospel, it became their 'gospel of salvation' and because of this, they were 'marked with a SEAL, meaning the Seal of the Holy Spirit of PROMISE, to keep them sealed/safe. The seal is an image of a permanent mark, which, as Paul says, acts as a 'guarantee' of our 'inheritance' (eternal life).

Don't accuse me of arguing, when I came to discuss. We just can't say we know that most people in church that are saved, then go on to just do everything they want. That's not for us to judge. I think it would be more apt to say that Christians are not perfect. They will mess up, but that doesn't mean they lose their salvation. Paul says at the judgment of the BELIEVER'S WORKS, each will receive a reward according to his or her LABOR. Matthew 5:12 speaks of great reward in heaven and 2 John 8 speaks of a full reward, both references indicating that the rewards will not all be the same. The Bible says, "Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven." Clearly, salvation cannot be earned. We cannot take credit for Christ's atonement for our sins on the cross... plain and simple. Works and salvation are two different things. They don't mix, in Scripture.

It is IMPOSSIBLE to lose our salvation, once we have been saved. If Christ died for our sins, and His sacrifice was accepted by the Father, then our sins are covered, and payment has been made FOR them all and ONCE AND FOR ALL. We cannot be lost. Our souls are safe. We cannot lose salvation, but we can, rather, lose/forfeit REWARDS:

"If any Christian's WORK is burned, he will suffer LOSS ; BUT...HE HIMSELF, WILL BE SAVED, yet so as by fire" (1 Corinthians 3:15). By "fire", refers to the verse that says the Holy Spirit shall "try" the believer's works ONLY, which is tried by Holy Spirit fire....WORKS are tried and burnt for those works which were not done for the right motive... In other words, just to get attention or praise....however, the BELIEVER has already been forgiven, so his sins are NOT judged AGAIN. They were forgiven and forgotten! This judgement is ONLY for WORKS of the believer, and only his WORKS burned up.

@Carazaa I have feelings, too. I'm not trying to argue with you. Only to discuss but you always tell people that I want to do nothing but argue with you and be rude. But it's okay for you to come back at me and say, "NO, you're wrong!" I never once said that to you. I have discussed. I don't mind when you say I'm wrong, but when you do say that to me, I never come back and accuse you of arguing with me and being rude, like you do to me. I can learn like anybody else. I'm not here to argue. And I've never said that I'm always right. I'm teachable. I always wanted to discuss, but since you feel that I'm definitely trying to target and attack you, I won't come to your posts again. I was sure hoping that we could get along and that's exactly why I came back to praise your posts. Just because I didn't agree with you on this one, doesn't mean I came to attack you or argue with you. I will now block you so there's no chance you will feel I'm trying to monitor or attack you.

@TheOrionbeltseeker Yes, When God changes us we are a new creature. 🙏

@Carazaa and that's what I've been saying all along and you rebuke me for. Works do not save us and salvation has nothing to do with our performance. Ephesians is clear on that.

@TheOrionbeltseeker well I think the mix up between Carraza and I, is that yes, she rightly believes that we can be saved but she doesn't believe in the security of the believer in Christ. If I'm wrong on that then I hope she will amicably correct me. Another distinction between her and I, is that she believes one can be saved by good works. Ephesians speaks contrary to that.

@littlepuppywantanewlife We don't know when we will die, this is true!

@Carazaa ofcourse the words are true. Those who are saved are strong. But the biggest challenges are yet to come. Pandemic was the mask and wars have started. 😶

@BritishFailedAesthetic Of course once we are saved, always saved, and we are saved by grace, but not all people who "accept" Jesus are saved. I don't go on your posts and argue. Please go away!

@BritishFailedAesthetic I think what she's saying is that we can lose our salvation. If we have misinterpreted that then she should state clearly but it has always been where I see that she believes we can work for our salvation and I think that's where the mix-up is. Scripture clearly states that we cannot work for our Salvation or earn it.

@Carazaa [quote]@BritishFailedAestheticOf course once we are saved, always saved, and we are saved by grace, but not all people who "accept" Jesus are saved. I don't go on your posts and argue. Please go away![/quote]

Now that point, I would agree with you, where you say that not [b]all[/b] people that accept Christ, are saved! Yet it is not us who are to judge who are saved and who are not saved. If they're truly not saved, but claim to be, then they are fake believers and they won't go to heaven. But the main point we're trying to get across to you is that once you're saved you cannot lose your salvation and I think that's where the we're misunderstanding each other. Jesus clearly said that we cannot lose our salvation. Nor, can we work for or earn it. Do you agree or disagree on that?