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Apostate Christianity: The Immortal Soul

The immortal soul is a pagan concept. Soul comes from a root word which means to bind. Superstitious pagan peoples would bind the hands and feet upon burial to prevent the dead from harming the living. The word evolved into a similar meaning always associated with large bodies of water (the sea) for the same reason. It was thought that the immortal souls were confined in large bodies of water, preventing them from bothering the living.

When translating the Bible from the Hebrew and Greek to English the word soul would be problematic due to it's pagan roots. However, it was the closest word we had. The Hebrew nephesh and the Greek psykhe are the Biblical terms translated into soul. The Hebrew word comes from a root that literally means "breather." The Greek word has a similar meaning. It means life and all that involves. A living being. That can be somewhat complicated by the usual obstacles, like variation in the the use of the word. Greek philosophers or modern day psychiatrists use the Greek word psykhe corresponds to the Hebrew word nephesh (nefesh, etc.)

The soul, according to the Bible, that is, nephesh or psykhe, is mortal, destructible.

Compare translations Ezekiel 18:4: "Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul who sins, he shall die." (WEB)

Compare translations Matthew 10:28: "Don't be afraid of those who kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul. Rather, fear him who is able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna." (WEB)


Journal of Biblical Literature (Vol. XVI, p. 30): “Soul in English usage at the present time conveys usually a very different meaning from נפש [ne′phesh] in Hebrew, and it is easy for the incautious reader to misinterpret.”

The New York Times, October 12, 1962: H. M. Orlinsky of Hebrew Union College states regarding nefesh: “Other translators have interpreted it to mean ‘soul,’ which is completely inaccurate. The Bible does not say we have a soul. ‘Nefesh’ is the person himself, his need for food, the very blood in his veins, his being.”

New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967, V:ol. XIII, p. 467): “Nepes [ne′phesh] is a term of far greater extension than our ‘soul,’ signifying life (Ex 21.23; Dt 19.21) and its various vital manifestations: breathing (Gn 35.18; Jb 41.13[21]), blood [Gn 9.4; Dt 12.23; Ps 140(141).8], desire (2 Sm 3.21; Prv 23.2). The soul in the O[ld] T[estament] means not a part of man, but the whole man—man as a living being. Similarly, in the N[ew] T[estament] it signifies human life: the life of an individual, conscious subject (Mt 2.20; 6.25; Lk 12.22-23; 14.26; Jn 10.11, 15, 17; 13.37).”

The New American Bible Glossary of Biblical Theology Terms (pp. 27, 28): “In the New Testament, to ‘save one’s soul’ (Mk 8:35) does not mean to save some ‘spiritual’ part of man, as opposed to his ‘body’ (in the Platonic sense) but the whole person with emphasis on the fact that the person is living, desiring, loving and willing, etc., in addition to being concrete and physical.”

Koehler and Baumgartner’s Lexicon in Veteris Testamenti Libros (Leiden, 1958, p. 627) on nephesh: “the breathing substance, making man a[nd] animal living beings Gn 1, 20, the soul (strictly distinct from the greek notion of soul) the seat of which is the blood Gn 9, 4f Lv 17, 11 Dt 12, 23: (249 X) . . . soul = living being, individual, person.”

New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967), Vol. XIII, pp. 449, 450: “There is no dichotomy [division] of body and soul in the O[ld] T[estament]. The Israelite saw things concretely, in their totality, and thus he considered men as persons and not as composites. The term nepeš [ne′phesh], though translated by our word soul, never means soul as distinct from the body or the individual person. . . . The term [psy‧khe′] is the N[ew] T[estament] word corresponding with nepeš. It can mean the principle of life, life itself, or the living being.”

The New Encyclopædia Britannica (1976), Macropædia, Vol. 15, p. 152: “The Hebrew term for ‘soul’ (nefesh, that which breathes) was used by Moses . . . , signifying an ‘animated being’ and applicable equally to nonhuman beings. . . . New Testament usage of psychē (‘soul’) was comparable to nefesh.”

The Jewish Encyclopedia (1910), Vol. VI, p. 564: “The belief that the soul continues its existence after the dissolution of the body is a matter of philosophical or theological speculation rather than of simple faith, and is accordingly nowhere expressly taught in Holy Scripture.”

New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967), Vol. XIII, pp. 452, 454: “The Christian concept of a spiritual soul created by God and infused into the body at conception to make man a living whole is the fruit of a long development in Christian philosophy. Only with Origen [died c. 254 C.E.] in the East and St. Augustine [died 430 C.E.] in the West was the soul established as a spiritual substance and a philosophical concept formed of its nature. . . . His [Augustine’s] doctrine . . . owed much (including some shortcomings) to Neoplatonism.”

Dictionnaire Encyclopédique de la Bible (Valence, France; 1935), edited by Alexandre Westphal, Vol. 2, p. 557: “The concept of immortality is a product of Greek thinking, whereas the hope of a resurrection belongs to Jewish thought. . . . Following Alexander’s conquests Judaism gradually absorbed Greek concepts.”

The Religion of Babylonia and Assyria (Boston, 1898), M. Jastrow, Jr., p. 556: “The problem of immortality, we have seen, engaged the serious attention of the Babylonian theologians. . . . Neither the people nor the leaders of religious thought ever faced the possibility of the total annihilation of what once was called into existence. Death was a passage to another kind of life.”

Plato’s “Phaedo,” Secs. 64, 105, as published in Great Books of the Western World (1952), edited by R. M. Hutchins, Vol. 7, pp. 223, 245, 246: “Do we believe that there is such a thing as death? . . . Is it not the separation of soul and body? And to be dead is the completion of this; when the soul exists in herself, and is released from the body and the body is released from the soul, what is this but death? . . . And does the soul admit of death? No. Then the soul is immortal? Yes.”

Presbyterian Life, May 1, 1970, p. 35: “Immortality of the soul is a Greek notion formed in ancient mystery cults and elaborated by the philosopher Plato.”

Phaedo, 80, D, E; 81, A: Plato, quoting Socrates: "The soul, . . . if it departs pure, dragging with it nothing of the body, . . . goes away into that which is like itself, into the invisible, divine, immortal, and wise, and when it arrives there it is happy, freed from error and folly and fear . . . and all the other human ills, and . . . lives in truth through all after time with the gods."

Also see

Liddell and Scott’s Greek-English Lexicon, revised by H. Jones, 1968, pp. 2026, 2027;
Donnegan’s New Greek and English Lexicon, 1836, p. 1404
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hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
So Jesus was lying when He spoke the words in John 11:25-26? Please clarify.
@hippyjoe1955 Was he lying when he spoke the words mentioned in the OP, at Matthew 10:28? If there is a contradiction there why is it? Sin equals death. All sinners die. The soul dies. We are acquitted of our sin only after death.

Do we need to define mortal, immortal? Does immortal mean, to you, or to Jesus, without beginning or end? Then he wasn't immortal. How does Jesus' mention of death in the verses you gave fit with your interpretation of immortality?
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Justice4All · 36-40, M
@hippyjoe1955 This guy has obviously never read the bible. He's just spewing nonsense he read somewhere online by another pseudo-theologian.

1 Corinthians 15:13-15

13 If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised.
14 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith.
15 More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised.

John 11:25,26
Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live

Prehaps the strongest biblical text to debunk his assertions - is when the Sadducees asked Jesus about the woman who was widowed 7 times. The bible tells us the Sadducees didn't believe in the resurrection. Jesus responded:

"You error because you do not understand scripture. At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven"
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@hippyjoe1955 Just refute the claim supported by Ezekiel 18:4 and Matthew 10:28, Joe, leave the personal nonsense at the door.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@AkioTsukino Jesus is the Great Authority. Refute His words recorded in John 11: 25-26
@Justice4All @hippyjoe1955 The soul can be destroyed. Matthew 10:28 (https://biblehub.com/matthew/10-28.htm)

The soul dies. Ezekiel 18:4 https://biblehub.com/ezekiel/18-4.htm)

[quote]1 Corinthians 15:13-15/ John 11:25,26[/quote]

I'm not denying the Biblical support for the resurrection, I'm denying the Biblical support for the immortal soul.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@AkioTsukino So you can't refute the words of Jesus. How was He able to call Lazarus out of the tomb if Lazarus was destroyed? Lazarus just took up his body again when told to and enabled by Jesus. As a pastor friend of mine said "Good thing Jesus called Lazarus by name" "If He simply said come out who knows how many graves would be empty."
@hippyjoe1955 [quote]So you can't refute the words of Jesus.[/quote]

I'm not. I agree 100% with John 11:25-26. You are refuting the words of Jesus at Matthew 10:28.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@AkioTsukino So you don't believe Jesus who IS the TRUTH. sad but not uncommon. Many moderns like to call Jesus a liar.
@hippyjoe1955 Joe. Do you agree with Ezekiel 18:4 and Matthew 10:28 or not?
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@AkioTsukino Do I believe that God can destroy one's soul? Yes. Of course God can destroy what He created. Doesn't mean He will or does. It means He can and yes we should fear Him because He has that capacity. Maybe you should learn to read the Bible in the light of the revelation of Jesus. Adam and Eve were told that they day they ate the fruit of the tree they would die. Try to understand what that means since Adam lived for over 900 years.
@hippyjoe1955 Then you agree with me. The soul is mortal. All the rest in nonsense.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@AkioTsukino without God there is no soul. God can do with His creation what He chooses which includes immortality.
@hippyjoe1955 If by immortality you mean everlasting life I agree 100%. That isn't the question, though, is the soul immortal in the sense of Greek philosophy or is the soul mortal in the sense of the Biblical. The modern day apostate Christian (roughly at a guess 99% of Christianity for the last 1600 years) teachings are in line with the former rather than the latter, which is why you have to dance around the subject. You know this.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@AkioTsukino Do you really think you are that smart? I mean really? You have some sort of imaginary power to decide this is Christian and this is Greek? The fact is that Jesus said that those who believe in Him will not die. End of discussion. The rest is splitting hairs and debating how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Those who want to create conflict in the brotherhood is the enemy not the friend.
@hippyjoe1955 Your argument, and I use the term very loosely, is a contradiction. First of all we agree. John 17:3 - Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent (https://biblehub.com/john/17-3.htm). It is very easy to decide which is Christian and which is Greek philosophy. The OP does that, with sources. You can do it by yourself just by reading the two verses I gave. Ezekiel 18:4 and Matthew 10:28.

The weakness in your poorly constructed argument is that you confuse life, or specifically the body, with the soul in a way that supposes they are separate. The soul (life) ends upon death. The body goes to hell (grave). Everlasting life is the body resurrected, and the soul (life) continues.
Justice4All · 36-40, M
@AkioTsukino [quote]The Hebrew nephesh and the Greek psykhe are the Biblical terms translated into soul. [/quote]

The Old Testament says very little about what happens to the soul to begin with. If we didn't read the NT, we wouldn't know there is life after death. As it relates to the afterlife, we are only introduced to the concepts of heaven and hell in the NT - seriously, it's not in the OT.

What we think of when we hear the word 'soul' may not be the same thing as the Hebrew word nephesh.

I think the Hebrew word 'ruach' and Greek word 'pneuma' would more appropriately describe the life force that separates from the body after death.

1 Corinthians 5:5
Hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit (pneuma) may be saved on the day of the Lord.

Romans 8:10
But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit (pneuma) gives life because of righteousness.

In Hebrews 4:12, both words are used and there is a definite distinction.

For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul (psyche) and of spirit (pneuma), of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.