Have You considered this from God's Perspective (Continued)

@LadyGrace

[quote]Ah, "Scientiaratio", your usual wanting to split hairs over a certain word and argue. Not going to happen. I've seen this question before from atheists/agnostics who just want to argue. I know you're line for line answers regarding the "meaning for devil" and the rest. Go nitpick someplace else. Something I've seen atheists use time and time again. Not interested in your usual twisting my words, either. Go argue with yourself or someone else.[/quote]

So called LadyGrace

Can't answer, then. Let me.

The word evil which appears at Isaiah 45:7, is ra, which can be translated as calamity, ugly, gloomy, bad, sad, disagreeable, and words to that effect. (https://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/hebrew/nas/ra.html) So, God created ra (punishment Adam's sin or for the flood). The word devil means slanderer/liar. The "Devil" is the father of the lie, and people who speak slander against God also fall under that category. And Lucifer, as I said in my response, means light bearer and isn't a name for Satan. The Hebrew word satan, by the way, means resistor or adversary. Like in Numbers 22:22 where God's righteous angel stood in the road to resist as an adversary to Balaam.

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BritishFailedAesthetic · M

If you're Christian you're going to slag off a sister in Christ over word semantics- shame on you.

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@AkioTsukino Press the delete button again.

TheWildEcho · 56-60, M

@AkioTsukino you need to accept Jesus as Lord and Savoir and then you will experience the love, joy and peace only He can give!

BritishFailedAesthetic · M

@TheWildEcho Amen!🙏

AkioTsukino · M

@originnone Where is my god? Now, that's an interesting question. As you are probably aware, the Bible refers to the physical universe, as in the heavens. The ancient Hebrew word sha‧ma′yim is always in the plural. From an etymological perspective, the word means high or lofty. So, if you lift up your arms to extend your hands to the heavens, or for example, where the birds fly, where the clouds are. The Hebrew word ra‧qi′aʽ means expanse, which is the atmospheric region specifically. Also part of the heavens extends to the celestial bodies. Stars, sun, moon, planets, constellations etc.

The Bible says God, however, can't contain him. (1 Kings 8:27) The Bible doesn't give a direct answer as to why that is so it's a matter of theological speculation. It does say that God created heaven for spirit beings such as himself and the angels, and earth he created for man.

originnone · 61-69, M

Where is your god?

LordShadowfire · M

I haven't, because that perspective is literally impossible. You're asking me to consider everything from the perspective of the omniscient, omnipotent creator of all life who somehow couldn't predict how we would turn out.

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AkioTsukino · M

@LordShadowfire [quote]So what I'm hearing from you is that you disagree with other Christians regarding the omniscience of God. [/quote]

I disagree with modern day Christians on just about everything. I so often point out the real source of their apostate theological tradition that hesitate to continue doing it any more than I absolutely have to. If you haven't read my posts on that I can go over it quickly here, but suffice it to say their theology is more ancient Greek philosophy than the Bible.

[quote]Now tell me why it is that other Christians think he does know everything.[/quote]

Just out of curiosity why is their or my own motivation relevant? The only question you need to address is if each is Biblically supported or theological nonsense. So you see God asking Adam and Cain and the angels sent to evaluate Sodom and Gomorrah questions he wouldn't need to ask if the omni's were true. His position is fixed in heaven which it wouldn't be if he were omnipresent, he can't lie or be in the physical universe which he could do if he were omnipotent. etc.

[quote]Now tell me why it is that other Christians think he does know everything.[/quote]

I think they have a idealistic and mythological understanding. God can see the future, God knows all etc. Some of that is understandable for someone that doesn't know the Bible well. (2 Timothy 4:3-4) It's an exaggerated and impractical theology influenced heavily by ignorance.

LordShadowfire · M

@AkioTsukino [quote]Just out of curiosity why is their or my own motivation relevant?[/quote]
They would have me believe that God isn't omniscient, then he isn't God. I'm just wondering why it is that so many people are so certain.

[quote]So you see God asking Adam and Cain and the angels sent to evaluate Sodom and Gomorrah questions he wouldn't need to ask if the omni's were true.[/quote]
I agree. An omniscient God would have no need to do all that stuff.

AkioTsukino · M

@LordShadowfire [quote]They would have me believe that God isn't omniscient, then he isn't God. [/quote]

Other than hypothetically it really doesn't matter what anyone would attempt to have you believe. Eliminate the middle man in your conclusion, go to the source.

[quote]I'm just wondering why it is that so many people are so certain.[/quote]

Ideology? Religiosity? Tradition? People are idiots? Doesn't matter.

[quote]An omniscient God would have no need to do all that stuff.[/quote]

You could say that. Or anything. Based on what?

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