@Pikachu hedgehog sleeps lion eats the hedgehog hedgehog doesn't suffer hedgehog sleeps lion ate the hedgehog there is no hedgehog that was the last hedgehog here are no more hedgehogs
by the way, the lion is gone too the lion doesn't suffer he choked on a hedgehog
so they're all extinct
but the african diplodocus suffers, so it wouldn't eat the hedgehogs, because they're prickly
african diplodocus survived they multiplied and now they rule the world
@fakable I think that was perhaps an effort to describe adaptive advantage? But the ability to suffer need not be part of reproductive and survival success. Mortality could theoretically occur and propagate fitter populations without those populations having the capacity to suffer.
Oh i understand stimulus response but that's not the same as suffering. A bacteria has stimulus response. But what does suffering add to that? Feeling pain and not only reacting to it as a stimulus to be avoided but also finding that stimulus traumatic, upsetting, terrifying? These are not necessary. A simple algorithm of if x stimulus then y response would suffice to meet the same end. So why Biblically speaking, do animals have the capacity to suffer?
