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Was Jesus God?

A Response To The Skeptic's Annotated Bible (SAB) - Is Jesus God?

This response addresses the fact that Jesus was a god just as Moses and other men were gods, though not to be confused with Jehovah God.

The trinity is a Babylonian teaching common in the pagan religions. It was adopted by apostate Christianity 400 years after Christ. John 1:1 is used by those who believe in the trinity, in fact it seems that the verse is intentionally corrupted in order to support the trinity.

At John 1:1 the Greek theos is what is called an anarthrous theos. There are many cases of a singular anarthrous predicate noun preceding the verb, such as in Mark 6:49; 11:32; John 4:19; 6:70; 8:44; 9:17; 10:1, 13, 33; 12:6. Where "a" or "an" is inserted "an apparition" or "a spirit" or "a liar" or "a prophet" or "a god."

In the article "Qualitative Anarthrous Predicate Nouns: Mark 15:39 and John 1:1," published in the Journal of Biblical Literature, Vol. 92, Philadelphia, 1973, p. 85, Philip B. Harner said about John 1:1: "with an anarthrous predicate preceding the verb, are primarily qualitative in meaning. They indicate that the logos has the nature of theos. There is no basis for regarding the predicate theos as definite." On p. 87 of his article, Harner concluded: "In John 1:1 I think that the qualitative force of the predicate is so prominent that the noun cannot be regarded as definite."

In other words Jesus was a god, which is completely in harmony with scripture. Jesus was prophetically called a mighty god (Hebrew El Gibbohr) at Isaiah 9:6.

John 1:14 - "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

Jesus was the word, or spokesperson, of Jehovah God. He existed in heaven in spirit form before he came to earth. (John 3:13; 6:51; 17:5)

John 8:58 - "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am."

A Grammar of the Idiom of the New Testament, by G. B. Winer, seventh edition, Andover, 1897, p. 267, says: "Sometimes the Present includes also a past tense (Mdv. 108), viz. when the verb expresses a state which commenced at an earlier period but still continues, a state in its duration; as, Jno. xv. 27 aparkhes met emou este], viii. 58 prin Abraam genesthai ego eimi."

A Grammar of New Testament Greek, by J. H. Moulton, Vol. III, by Nigel Turner, Edinburgh, 1963, p. 62, says: "The Present which indicates the continuance of an action during the past and up to the moment of speaking is virtually the same as Perfective, the only difference being that the action is conceived as still in progress . . . It is frequent in the N[ew] T[estament]: Lk 248 137 . . . 1529 . . . Jn 56 858 . . . "

Before Abraham came into existence is the first person singular present indicative and so properly translated with the perfect indicative. So from the fourth/fifth century the Syriac edition translates John 8:58 as "before Abraham was, I have been." (A Translation of the Four Gospels from the Syriac of the Sinaitic Palimpsest, by Agnes Smith Lewis, London, 1894.

From the fifth century the Curetonian Syriac Edition translates "before ever Abraham came to be, I was." (The Curetonian Version of the Four Gospels, by F. Crawford Burkitt, Vol. 1, Cambridge, England, 1904)

The Syriac Peshitta Edition, The Old Georgian Version, also from the fifth century and the Ethiopic Edition of the sixth century all do the same.

In an attempt to confuse Jesus as Jehovah some suggest that ego eimi is the same as the Hebrew expression ani hu, "I am he," which is used by God, but it is also used by man. (1 Chronicles 21:17)

Others try and use the Septuagint's reading of Exodus 3:14 which reads Ego eimi ho on meaning "I am The Being," or "I am The Existing One" which can't be sustained because the expression at Exodus 3:14 is different than John 8:58.

At Exodus 3:14 the Hebrew Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh "I shall prove to be what I shall prove to be" is God's self designation. Leeser reads "I will be that I will be;" Rotherham reads "I Will Become whatsoever I please." Latin ego sum qui sum "I am Who I am." Ehyeh comes from a verb hayah which means to "become; prove to be" and at 3:14 is in the imperfect state, first person singular meaning "I shall become" or "I shall prove to be." It isn't a comment on God's self existence but a statement about what he intends to become towards others.

John 10:30-31 - "I and my Father are one. Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him."

Novatian (c. 200-258 C.E.) wrote: "Since He said 'one' thing, let the heretics understand that He did not say 'one' person. For one placed in the neuter, intimates the social concord, not the personal unity. . . . Moreover, that He says one, has reference to the agreement, and to the identity of judgment, and to the loving association itself, as reasonably the Father and Son are one in agreement, in love, and in affection." - Treatise Concerning the Trinity, chapter 27.

What Havatian meant is that the word for "one" in the verse is in the neuter gender. So its actual meaning is "one thing." John 17:21 uses the exact same syntax. This would mean that if Jesus and the Father were one in as the same one in the same then those to whom Jesus spoke of at John 17:21 were God as well.

John 10:38-39 - "The Father is in me, and I in him. Therefore they sought again to take him."

The Catholic Jerusalem Bible reads: "Jesus said to them, 'I have done many good works for you to see, works from my Father; for which of these are you stoning me?' The Jews answered him, 'We are not stoning you for doing a good work but for blasphemy: you are only a man and you claim to be God'. Jesus answered: 'Is it not written in your Law: I said, you are gods? So the Law uses the word gods of those to whom the word of God was addressed, and scripture cannot be rejected. Yet you say to someone the Father has consecrated and sent into the world, "You are blaspheming", because he says, "I am the Son of God". If I am not doing my Father's work, there is no need to believe me; but if I am doing it, then even if you refuse to believe in me, at least believe in the work I do; then you will know for sure that the Father is in me and I am in the Father'" - John 10:32-38

Notice that Jesus wasn't claiming to be the God, the Father or even be equal but rather the Son of God.

John 14:9 - "he that hath seen me hath seen the Father."

Jesus wasn't saying that he was God, so that anyone seeing him would be seeing God. For no man has seen God. Jesus was the image of as well as the representative of God. (Genesis 1:26 / Exodus 33:20 / John 1:1, 18 / Colossians 1:15)

John 20:28 - "And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God."

A god is anything that anyone attributes might or venerates. The Bible calls Moses, Jesus, the judges of Israel, Tammuz - all mortal men who are called gods. It also calls angels, including Satan and Michael as gods. Also pagan Gods like Dagon, Molech, Baal, Bel, Astarte. Carved idols. The dictionary definition agrees.

Atheists don't agree because they are influenced by the apostate and uninformed teachings of Christianity and because, really, the very definition of atheism is a belief that there are no gods, and if anything, whether or not it exists, can be a god, that makes their position sort of silly and obviously influenced by the inaccurate teachings of modern day Christianity.

The very Hebrew word translated god is El and various forms of El (Elohim for example, applied to Jehovah, men and pagan gods and goddesses) which means simply "mighty" or "strong one." It is a similar title as Lord, which usually signifies authority over something or someone. Land lord, for example. God father.

As indicated earlier in this response the scriptures teach that Jesus, like other men, are gods, but not that he is the same as Jehovah God. This is evident only three verses after the Thomas account given where John writes that these things were written down so that we would believe that Jesus was the Christ, Son of God. Not that he was God. (Isaiah 9:6 / John 1:18; 20:30)

Acts 20:28 - "Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood."

The Jerusalem Bible, Douay, and NAB all use similar wording in translation of Acts 20:28. The NWT and TEV reads to the effect of "the blood of his own [Son."] The RS 1953 reads "with his own blood," but the 1971 edition reads "with the blood of his own son."

J. H. Moulton in A Grammar of New Testament Greek, Vol. 1 (Prolegomena), 1930 ed., p. 90, says: "Before leaving idios something should be said about the use of ho idios without a noun expressed. This occurs in Jn 1:11 1:31, Ac 4:23; 24:23. In the papyri we find the singular used thus as a term of endearment to near relations . . . . In Expos. VI. iii. 277 I ventured to cite this as a possible encouragement to those (including B. Weiss) who would translate Acts 20:28 'the blood of one who was his own.'"

The New Testament in the Original Greek, by Westcott and Hort, Vol., 2, London, 1881, pp. 99, 100 of the Appendix, Hort stated: "it is by no means impossible that huiou, "of the Son" [dropped out after tou idiou, "of his own"] at some very early transcription affecting all existing documents. Its insertion leaves the whole passage free from difficulty of any kind."

The KJV and others are not grammatically incorrect in the way they translate "with his own blood." However the Codex Alexandrinus, Codex Ephraemi rescriptus (5th century), Bezae Codices (Greek and Latin 5th / 6th Century) and the Philozenian-Harclean Syriac Version (6th / 7th century) and thus Moffat's translation all contain a marginal reading of "the congregation of the Lord" instead of "the congregation of God" to avoid confusion. The Codex Sinaiticus (4th century) Vatican ms 1209 (4th century) and Latin Vulgate all read God (articulate) and so translate 'God's blood."

With the Greek tou idiou which follows the phrase "with the blood" the expression conveys the notion that it was "with the blood of his own." The noun in the singular being God's closest relative, his only begotten Son, Jesus Christ.

Colossians 1:16 - "For by him [Jesus] were all things created."

This text speaks nothing of Jesus as being God or being equal to Jehovah God, it is in harmony with scripture in that Jesus was the master worker of God. (Proverbs 8:27-30 / John 1:3)

Colossians 2:9 - "For in him [Jesus] dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."

From the Greek theotetos and Latin divinitatis comes the term "godhead" or "divine quality," "godship."

2 Peter 1:4 uses the same "divine quality" or "godship" in application to the first century Christians he was addressing. Just as the Christian can be of "divine nature" through the decision of God and not being God or being equal to God so was Jesus. (Colossians 2:9)

1 Timothy 3:16 - "God was made manifest in the flesh."

The sacred secret of the ages which Jesus revealed was that mankind could live in perfect obedience to Jehovah God's sovereignty. Jesus demonstrated that he could do what Adam chose not to do.

There is an interesting story behind 1 Timothy 3:16 and the KJV.

Kyrillos Loukaris, a patriarch of Alexandria Egypt was a great collector of books and in 1621, while in Constantinople, Turkey, he took the Codex Alexandrius there. The unrest in the Middle East and the possibility that it might be destroyed by Muslims provoked him to give it to the British ambassador in Turkey as a gift for King James I in 1624. King James died and it was given instead to King Charles I three years later.

The Alexandrian Codex, mentioned earlier in this response, was one of the first major Bible manuscripts accessible to scholars so its discovery was instrumental in constructive criticism of the Greek Bibles.

Since it dated back to the 5th century C.E. and several scribes shared in its writing it had corrected text throughout. The scribes did something unusual and important when gathering together readings from different families or exemplars, whereas other scribes would usually stick to one family. It was an older and better manuscript than any of those used in the making of the KJV of 1611.

Its reading of 1 Timothy 3:16 caused a great deal of controversy because the KJV read "God was manifest in the flesh." The Alexandria Codex though, indicated that the contraction for "God" which was formed by two Greek letters, appeared to have originally read the almost identical "OC" which was the word for "who." Thus Christ Jesus was not "God." Over the next 200 years the discovery of other older manuscripts would confirm this.

Bruce M. Metzger in his Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament concludes: "No uncial (in the first hand) earlier than the eighth or ninth century . . . supports theos; and no patristic writer prior to the last third of the fourth century testifies to the reading theos."

Titus 2:13 - "Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ."

The Riverside New Testament, 1934 - "of the great God and of our Savior Christ Jesus"

A New Translation of the Bible, by James Moffat, 1935 - "of the great God and of our Saviour Christ Jesus"

New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures, 1950 - "of the great God and of our Savior Christ Jesus"

La Sainte Bible, by Louis Segond, 1957 - "of the great God and of our Savior Jesus Christ"

The New American Bible, 1970 - "of the great God and of our Savior Christ Jesus"

The New Testament in Modern English, 1972 - "of the great God and of Christ Jesus our saviour"

From the Greek tou megalou Theou kai soteros hemon Khristou Iesou. The text presents no difficulty in the distinction of two separate people; Jehovah God and Christ Jesus. The Authorship of the Fourth Gospel and Other Critical Essays, by Ezra Abbot, Boston, 1888, p. 452: "Take an example from the New Testament. In Matt. xxi. 12 we read that Jesus 'cast out all those that were selling and buying in the temple, tous polountas kai agorazontas. No one can reasonably suppose that the same persons are here described as both selling and buying. In Mark the two classes are made distinct by the insertion of tous before agorazontas; here it is safely left to the intelligence of the reader to distinguish them. In the case before us [Tit 2:13], the omission of the article before soteros seems to me to present no difficulty, not because soteros is made sufficiently definite by the addition of hemon (Winer), for, since God as well as Christ is often called "our Saviour," he doxa tou megalou Theou kai soteros hemon, standing alone, would most naturally be understood of one subject, namely, God, the Father; but the addition of Iesou Khristou to soteros hemon changes the case entirely, restricting the soteros hemon to a person or being who, according to Paul's habitual use of language, is distinguished from the person or being whom he designates as ho Theos, so that there was no need of the repetition of the article to prevent ambiguity. So in 2 Thess. i. 12, the expression kata ten kharin tou Theou hemon kai kyriou would naturally be understood of one subject, and the article would be required before kyriou if two were intended; but the simple addition of Iesou Khristou to kyriou makes the reference to the two distinct subjects clear without the insertion of the article."

Philippians 2:6 - "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God."

The KJV and Douay both read the passage similar, but the Jerusalem Bible reads: "he did not cling to his equality with God." The RS, NE, TEV and NAB all read similar to the NWT which reads: "who, although he was existing in God's form, gave no consideration to a seizure (Greek harpagmon), namely, that he should be equal to God."

The text is encouraging Christians to imitate Christ, obviously by not thinking of themselves as equal to God. Otherwise the text would be encouraging them to imitate Christ in being equal with God, which of course, it doesn't. (Mark 10:18)

The Expositor's Greek Testament: "We cannot find any passage where harpazo or any of its derivatives including harpagmon has the sense of 'holding in possession,' 'retaining'. It seems invariably to mean 'seize,' 'snatch violently'. Thus it is not permissible to glide from the true sense 'grasp at' into one which is totally different, 'hold fast.'" - (Grand Rapids, Mich.; 1967), edited by W. Robertson Nicoll, Vol. III, pp. 436, 437.

Hebrews 1:8 - "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."

The RS, NE, TEV, Dy, JB, NAB all read similar to the KJV. The AT, Mo, TC all read similar to the NWT, which reads; "But with reference to the Son: 'God is your throne forever and ever." The passage is quoting Psalm 45:6-7 which is directed at a human king.

B. F. Westcott states: "The LXX [Septuagint] admits of two renderings: ho theos can be taken as a vocative in both cases (Thy throne, O God, . . . therefore, O God, Thy God . . . ) or it can be taken as the subject (or the predicate) in the first case (God is Thy throne, or Thy throne is God . . . ), and in apposition to [ho theos sou] in the second case (Therefore God, even Thy God . . . ). . . . It is scarcely possible that Elohim in the original can be addressed to the king. The presumption therefore is against the belief that ho theos is a vocative in the LXX. Thus on the whole it seems best to adopt in the first clause the rendering: God is Thy throne (or, Thy throne is God), that is 'Thy kingdom is founded upon God, the immovable Rock.'" - The Epistle to the Hebrews (London, 1889), pp. 25, 26.

Revelation 1:17 - "Fear not; I am the first and the last."

Revelation 22:13 - "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last."

Both verses listed here from Revelation are in reference to Jehovah God rather than Jesus Christ.
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Israel :
IS...Isis
RA....Ra
El....singular of Elohim.

Historically, trinities are a common product when polytheistic religions meet monotheistic ones.

Besides, do not your scriptures tell you we are all gods?
revenant · F
@OogieBoogie yep. You did notice that as well
@revenant yeah. Its odd how it occurs over and over again, like its almost a woke weakness in mankinds spirituality ....gotta play all the cards 😅...jic.

Or maybe...it has some deep spiritual truth at its base that we cant ignore.

I dunno.
But it nearly always seems to pop up when religions morph together🤷‍♀️
revenant · F
@OogieBoogie They morph together or they just undergo some kind of metamorphosis when cultures die and others take their place ? The lineage seems to carry on nevertheless..

Ann the mother of Marie..Anu the creator in other languages and cultures. Coincidence ? annual : yearly. ring is anneau

Here we find the wheel of life yet again..

At times I drive myself crazy with this stuff lol 🙂*
@revenant same.
So many names for one deity, even within one religion.

But then, if youre immortal, or nearly immortal, then i suppose its quite reasonable for one god to change or be identified greater than it was originally.

Ahh, words and language....such an intricate, organic , woven thing.
I love words too: where they came from, what their roots were, what they meant.
Language was more phonetically charged millenia ago....so im not surprised to find it surviving to this day.
I think its more prevalent than we know, words like 'ki' to 'qi' to 'ch'i'.
Still echoing into the future.
revenant · F
@OogieBoogie oh you found it too......................

ki....qi....chi !!🙂

Maybe ka as well. Hekate, Heka, AmeriKa, Antartica, Inca...etc

Oh I totally agree with you that words were charged phonetically ..they had meanings then and people have forgotten.
Planets have given a lot of their names to languages too..mythologies..humans created out of mud in other cultures too.

ahh for people to decipher !
@revenant yep.
It seems language was less specific and more interpretive millena ago, (Like Tamil or maybe Mandarin today), so basic sounds could mean many things....which was absorbed into old languages and passed into modern ones.

Supposedly the sound of a word had accousic power or influence.

It often makes me wonder what power our words create today.

Ive heard "every word that you speak goes out into the universe", (or something like that).

Which is kinda scary and embarassing 😅
in10RjFox · M
@OogieBoogie [b]Tamil [/b] it is and soon world will come to know how all languages evolved / plagiarised from Tamil. And yes.. language was interpretive and interrelative ...and
not just a collection of nouns.

A simple example I can give is the alphabet [b]W[/b] .. we pronounce it as [b]double U[/b] but never apply it as [b]UU[/b].. Many words were masked using such concepts.
BibleData · M
@OogieBoogie [quote]Israel :
IS...Isis
RA....Ra
El....singular of Elohim.[/quote]

No, no, no. The Hebrew word El is God. So, when you see words like Michael or Israel the words are made up of words including god. So Michael means who is like god? Israel means to contend, grapple or wrestle with god. So Abraham's name was changed to Israel after he wrestled with the angel of God.

Elohim is another word for god. It is used in application to men, pagan deities, singular, plural and often as a plural of excellence.
revenant · F
@BibleData I thought Elohim was plural ?

Elyon MIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGGGGGHHHT be God according to Hebrews
BibleData · M
@revenant [quote] I thought Elohim was plural ?

Elyon MIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGGGGGHHHT be God according to Hebrews[/quote]

Elohim comes from a root word meaning strong. It's plural of elohah. Sometimes elohim is plural (gods; Genesis 31:30, 32) sometimes plural of excellence to one god (1Samuel 5:7 Dagon; 1 Kings 11:5 “goddess” Ashtoreth; Daniel 1:2 (Marduk).

It's applied to men, like the Judges and Jesus (Psalm 82:1,6; John 10:34-35) and the angels, for example, at Psalm 8:5
@BibleData El is an obscure word with no exact definitive singular meaning.
It has been extrapolated to mean 'one who judges, 'deity', 'powerful one', and 'one above men' or 'high one'.

Elohim is a masc plural of El, just as 'cherubim' is a plural of cherub, 'Nephilim' is of nephil and seraphim of seraph.
Eloah is an expansion of El. A or Ah can mean 'water', 'semen' or 'seed' or 'father'.
so Eloah translates to something like "The powerful Father' or 'The Deity who Fathers' or maybe even 'The source if all Life' or 'Creator'.

Ancient language is very much interpretive depending upon placement, context, order, grouping....and even who it is directed at.

El is more a designation, not a definitive noun. It lends value and/or status to what it is added to.
Just as the the angels names are designations/characteriarics under or of El:
Mich a El - soldier/warrior of god, (or rather, "soldier of the powerful one"

Cham a El - serenity of god

Raph a El - healer of God.....etc.

And interestingly enougb it has survived to this day to be applied in other manners of elevated status and in our language....as in 'ELevator, ELite, Elder etc. It has survived as a masc pronoun in some languages, and in others still has meaning.
.... which is pretty amazing really.
@in10RjFox evolution of language is so complex and facinating. How we went from pictographs to symbols to letters ...and back.
Like the ampersand: '&'. Its name is a contraction of an aliteration of its literal meaning "and per se and", and its form is a combining of the two letters that make the latin word for 'and' : 'et'. (and was once the 27th letter of the english alphabet).

So it has gone from being implied, to a word, to a sentence, back to a word and then reduced to a letter that was demoted to a symbol...full circle in a way.

Language is an organic thing that has evolved with us. Its gotten bigger and more precise, but is losing its soul.
Language before had less words, but somehow had expansive meaning.
There was energy in its phonetics, prayers where literally 'songs with divine power' to the Gods.

Some how we have lost that.
revenant · F
@OogieBoogie I can only give you a thumb up here 👍.


looks like you have been going on the same trail as me.
revenant · F
@OogieBoogie Ur. I. El
Common names too..Emmanuel..Gabriel..Michelle..Anabelle..

You got ELite too and elevate too...am I peeking into your mind or are you peeking into mine ?😆

Have you heard of Switchwords ?
@revenant im not surprised that you say this.
i see your comments on some religious posts, and often you beat me to what i would have said 😅
And yes...the angel names ! Finding that one out was so satisfying . i asked why they all rhymed in sunday school, (eons ago), and not one priest could answer.
i think its why i go on these research benders , i want to know [i]how[/i], and [i]why[/i] we know what we do.
And books like the bible dont just survive because relgion bound itself to politics.
In fact, its prolly becuase of it i started my dive into language, ancient cultures, other religions, ancient texts and my own spirituality.

There is too much modern "spiritual" bullshit spewing out today, its so hard to sift thru it all. So i decided to go back....back to the sources of where it first begins ..and its been, and still is, an incredible journey.

Not that its changed my ethos, more opened my mind to bigger things, possibilities. Even science gets wrapped up in it there as well.

The universe is so big, so unending and time is forever. For some reason i cant accept that we only ever get to be a miniscule part of it, for a brief second, when we are supposed to be created by something eternal and everywhere.

i nearly died once, had a brief NDE, and for the tiniest moment got to experience (i think), a tiny bit like what it is to have no walls, no boundries to my soul/consciousness. Maybe i ecpereinced death, maybe it was another plane of dimension, maybe it was tje next stage of our journey as a conscious being - i dunno.

All i know is : we are more than this . More than this body, more than this life, more than this experience on Earth.

And im curious as hell about it.

and no.... ihavent. im now googling it😂
revenant · F
@OogieBoogie ahah well what can I say and add ? lol...

same as you ! am like oh fuk it...go back to the source/s and what endured for eons ! there has to be a reason for it. People have forgotten so many things and truths..

I remember you mentioning your NDE and a certain loneliness coming out of it.

ahhh am experimenting with 1....seems to be working but afraid so far to use it for important stuff..in case I get disappointed..🙂
@revenant thank you for a new thing to look up .
Its odd, when i needed one, i found it difficult to find, or make a good affirmation that felt right .
i ended up with, (quite by chance), "up and out". It seemed to hold everything i needed for those drowning moments .

its strange. .....the more you look, the more you find ....the more you see the simplicity.
We seem to have made everything so complicated : religion, life, work, etc.

It funny you mention afraid. Im kinda like that about praying, about chanting and stuff.
i dont want to abuse it, depend on it, do it wrong, or ask for the wrong things .

im a great believer in the divine, but i also believe, (as its been phrased before), "god helps those who help themselves".
i dont want to become one of those who give up and leave everything to divine intervention. I dont believe god, (or whatever), is there to fix everything .

Some shit we need to work out for ourselves.
i mean, how else do we grow if we don't [i]make [/i] our own change ?
revenant · F
@OogieBoogie I found that out when one day I got really pissed off about losing something.

I used REACH and less than 10 minutes later....the ring popped out of bed covers lol ! placebo like stuff I do not know...it worked anyway.

Words carry power and the power is being held in the atmosphere, somewhere and somehow. When you chant or repeat one word, you would attract the vibration of that word to you. I think that is the best explanation I found apart from all those complicated highminded ladida ones..
revenant · F
@OogieBoogie 👍 yes...better and more satisfying to make changes on ourselves too than trying to control all the environment. More liberating also.
@revenant Yes ...vibration. Ive read so much about this from Egyptian healing, to Arkashic philosophies, from Tesla to geometry and sound.
i WANT do badly to understand it better, experience it. I feel like its at my fingertips but not quite.
Tesla for all his science, said "we need to start thinking of the universe as frequencies and waves, not particles and matter" (or something like that).
And science is backing this up more and more.
The anicents knew it . We lost that general knowledge and its become esoteric.
revenant · F
@OogieBoogie He said everything was vibration but I have yet to discover the real secret of 369😎

If the Egyptians really managed that to build pyramids..wow..

I do not talk about it much IRL...people think am totally loopy 😂
@revenant 😂...neither do i.
Everyone at work talks about football, gossip, and Facebook . If i even gave tjem a hint about what i think about they would prolly look at me like im mad🤦‍♀️
i know, coz i tried once, and all i got was blank incomprehensible looks🤷‍♀️.

Ever feel like you spend more time walking around your own mind than in reality coz its more interesting ?😏
revenant · F
@OogieBoogie oh yes..lol......serious and absorbed expression in the supermarket and wondering where on earth this name of the can of peas could have come from...

Positively certifiable 😊 but totally agree with you : lots of convos around are so boring and predictable...😌 there is only my son I know whose mind goes kind of crazy like mine.😊 He wants to discover the secret of the world and resume it in 2 words..