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There are many people today that stand in judgement of God. Especially many atheists, who question the morality of God.

They like to loudly proclaim that the God of the Bible is unrighteous. Firstly, let me say this, and bear with me while I make a point: there are about 8 billion people in the world. 8 billion people who have very different opinions and views from one another. Everyone thinks differently, having different political opinions, different philosophical views, religious views, views about everyday things and just about everything.

Now here's my question for you: if there are 8 billion people on this world all with dramatically different views on a variety of different subjects, why would you for one second assume that the creator of the universe, the God who created everything just happens to agree with you on everything. That is what people think today. Atheists and others stand in judgement of God because they expect God to agree with them on everything. It doesn't make any sense. You've got all these different people with all these different views Not only that, but throughout our lives our views on things change.

But yet you expect to read the Bible and have God thinking just the way you think and agreeing with you on everything. You expect God to be just like you. That's your problem. Think about how insane this is. Basically what you are saying is that you are this unique unicorn where your personal views and what you think in your heart is the exact way the creator of the universe thinks and feels. They have a God complex. You think that you have all the correct answers within and expect God to match that perfectly. Then if God doesn't match that perfectly, you're going to judge God. And you'll start to question: "Why would a loving God do this?" "Why didn't God do it this way?" "Why would God allow this to happen". The Atheist approaches the Bible expecting God to agree with every feeling and thought they have in their heart that seems true, which is the utmost arrogance.

Now, what are these feelings and thoughts in the heart that seem true? It's everything you've watched on TV your whole life, it's a combination of everything you've heard on the radio, read in magazines and books, learned from your parents, learned in school and everything the media has taught you. Can you really trust that? Do you think that you're the final judge of what's right and wrong? You see our own heart is not a trustworthy source of truth. In fact, the Bible says "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?" - Jer 17:9

So, I decided to put my faith and trust in what the Word of God says on every subject and when what I think and the Word of God says conflict, I am going to say that I am wrong and The Bible is right. I made the decision a long time ago that whatever the Bible says I am just going to believe it because the Bible says "He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool...." It also says in Proverbs 3:5-6, "Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths."

Now, obviously we should listen to the leading of the Holy Spirit in our lives, but the Holy Spirit will speak to us through God's Word and bring God's Word to our remembrance. He will point us toward the Word of God. He will guide us in all truth.

On the contrary, those who are not saved are lead by their own inner voice, which is a result of aforementioned influences. The kind of inner voice that says, "Would a loving God really torch Sodom and Gomorrah? That just doesn't FEEL right to me." Well, who the hell are you? You're nobody. Who cares what you think. Your opinion is just what happened to be taught to you by culture and society. And society and culture had radically different views just a couple of decades ago. So, what doesn't seem right to you in the Bible is irrelevant. The Bible says in Proverbs 14:12, "There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, But the end thereof are the ways of death."

Why put your faith in a society and CULTure that is constantly changing? The Word Cult is in culture for a reason. Put your faith in the God of the Bible, who NEVER changes. "For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.” - Malachi 3:6
"Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever." - Hebrews 13:8.

Gods Word is the final authority. Let God be true, but every man a liar! Let God be righteous and let us be unrighteous. We are wrong and He is the one who is right. That is where you need to get in life, my friend.

You'll probably say, "how can you just blindly believe the Bible?" How can you just blindly believe what your cartoon, movie, rockin roll music filled mind tells you what is right all the time? What are you listening to? Some voice inside that just happens to be telling you whatever TV and the media is telling you? Isn't it interesting that you have an inner voice telling you the same things that millions of other people are being told by their inner voice, that nobody had an inner voice telling them that in the 50's, 60's and 70's.

God's not unrighteous, You're unrighteous. We all are unrighteous. God is right. Everything God does is right and all of his judgments are right. He's right about every subject all the time.

Many feel that it is not right for God to punish sin. God is the author of righteousness and He decides what is righteous and what isn't. You don't. You don't get to stand in Judgement of God. God is the one who makes the rules.

Now when we think about God punishing sin, the big subject is Hell, because the ultimate penalty for sinners is to spend eternity in Hell. Many struggle with this. And I'll be honest, there have been times in my life where I have struggled to wrap my mind around the concept of Hell. But let me say this, God is love. Wouldn't you say that the love of God passes all understanding? Ephesians 3:17-19 says, "That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God."

God's wrath is the same way, It passes all understanding. No one has love like God has. God is the ultimate in love and He is also the ultimate in vengeance. True love must also hate evil and sin, otherwise it is a fake love. Romans 12:9 says, "Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good."

So, if you can't grasp or fully wrap your mind around the love of God because it passes all understanding, if you can't fully relate to the love of God or if you can't come close to having that kind of love in your heart, why would you expect to understand or have the level of vengance in your heart that God has in His heart. The foolish atheist would say, "Well, I wouldn't send all of those people to Hell." Yeah, but you wouldn't die on the cross for people either! You wouldn't go to Hell for anyone either. But yet Jesus Christ died on the cross for us, He took the upon Himself the sins of the world and took the whole brunt of the wrath God the father poured out on the Son and He went to Hell for 3 days and 3 nights. That is an amount of love that I can't comprehend because I don't love anyone to that level, and if you are honest, you would say the same thing.

If we can't grasp the love of God, why would we think that we can grasp the wrath of God. God's wrath is also on this other level that we can't process. God is so far beyond us on His love and His justice. Vengeance is not necessarily a bad thing because it stems from God's righteousness. So, if you try to process Hell and the wrath of God just like you struggle to process the love of God, because you would find it hard to believe that God has forgiven someone like Jeffrey Dahmer and that Jeffrey Dahmer is in Heaven right now because He ended up believing on the Lord Jesus Christ and getting saved.

At the end of the day you have to realize that you are not God. He is God. He makes the rules. And there is no other God to compare Him to. Isaiah 40:25 says, "To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One." There's only one God, so whether you like Him or not, He's the only one you've got. This is the only universe you were born into. There's only one God and He is who He is. He even says, "I am that I am." (Ex 3:14). Deal with it. You can either get on His program or get smoked. What's funny is that many atheists think they are so clever and smart because they have all of these arguments against God that are so absurd (professing themselves to be wise they became fools) and they talk about "the problem of evil." And many atheists have said that they became atheists because they started thinking about "the problem of evil." Many atheists don't want to believe in the God of the Bible because they consider Him to be a malevolent, unpleasant and mean God. Richard Dawkins said it is possible that aliens created us, but that it can't be the God of the Bible because he thinks that the God of the Bible is unpleasant and mean. That's not logical. That's not scientific. Obviously Richard Dawkins is wrong. God is not malevolent, mean or unpleasant, but hypothetically, even if he was, why would that mean that God doesn't exist? That's pretty stupid logic. These atheists are nowhere near as logical as they lead you to believe.

Also, if you do not believe in God, you therefore have no objective standard for truth, so you have no basis for your moral questioning or claims. Your world is a relativistic, subjective and solipsistic one.

Read Genesis through Revelation. That is what God is like. It doesn't matter if you disagree with some things. You are one out of 8 billion people who all have different opinions and you don't just happen to line up perfectly with God in every opinion. What a shock!

Don't worship your own limited and faulty mind. The atheist worships his own intellect and reasoning. Just think about it: the intellect and reasoning that the atheist worships comes from a limited brain that can only detect 0.0035 percent of the electromagnetic spectrum -visible light - (of which that entire electromagnetic spectrum itself is only a fraction of what can be seen and exists in the universe). A brain that can't hear a dog whistle or even see certain patterns on plants that some insects can see. A limited 3 pound brain that certainly cannot fit the infinite God of the Bible inside of or in the tiny box of "proof" and "evidence" which that limited brain has created. They are slaves to their 5 senses, to materialism and to all of the influences of society and culture, which is constantly changing.

Put all of your faith/trust on the Lord Jesus Christ and His Word - the final authority, which never changes and brings real peace, real purpose and real direction in your life. Without this trust, you gain absolute faith in materiality, superficiality, status, selfishness, hedonism and consumerism. If you don't trust in God and the final Authority - the Bible, you are living in a false world where everyone is an accident, everything is relativistic and all that that really matters is me, me, me.

Folks, what are you exalting today? Is it something that is going to fade away? Are you worshipping the things of a very confused and insecure world that is all going to burn? Why?

I worship that which is eternal - a living, risen savior - the Lord Jesus Christ - who is now beyond space, time and matter, as shown in the Holy Word of God which is eternal: "The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever." - isaiah 40:8.
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If someone doesn't believe God exists, they're not "standing in judgment of God" any more than you stand in judgment of Harry Potter. What we're criticizing is his fictional characterization and the behavior of people who claim to believe in him and use him as justification for their own bad behavior.

Your opinion of God is just as fleeting and transitory as the concepts you criticize in others. You're using "God" as shorthand for your own personal views, while citing your particular interpretation of the Bible as an appeal to authority. You have no objective standard for truth or morality, either. All of the critiques you level at us could be applied to you.
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@LeopoldBloom Your comment demonstrates that you did not really read my entire post. This has nothing to with my own personal views, but what the Bible says. At first, like everyone else, many of my own personal views conflicted with the Bible, so I had to adapt and change my views so that I was in alignment with God's Word, which is the final authority and the objective standard. It wasn't always easy, but I admitted that I was wrong about where I disagreed with the Bible because I am not the final authority, God's Word is. You would have seen this and much more if you actually cared about what I have to say, instead of just trying to attack me and win some argument. Let go of the self-righteousness and pride and read the entire post please.
@SW-User No, it has to do with your interpretation of the Bible and your citing it in support of your own personal opinion. If your views are logical and reasonable, you shouldn't have to point to a Bible verse in support of them. Also, citing the Bible to someone who doesn't believe that it's a valid authority would be like an atheist citing Christopher Hitchens or Richard Dawkins (with the difference that atheists don't worship their books the way you worship the Bible).

I've noticed a strain of idolatry where you seem to be worshipping the Bible as a fetish object. You'll probably deny this because it goes against your indoctrination, but it's pretty obvious.

You accuse me of not engaging with your argument, when you're not engaging with mine at all. Your response could be boiled down to "read it again" and "you're wrong."
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@LeopoldBloom You can keep repeating that it has to do with my interpretation of the Bible and my citing it to support my own personal opinion, but that doesn't make it true. You do realize that repetition does not make your claim true, right? You are also claiming to know my mind better than i do. Read this very slowly: My views come from the Bible because I am a Bible Believing Christian, so of course I am going to point to Bible verses, as that is where my views come from. My views come from the Bible, and when one of my own personal views or opinions conflicts with the Bible, I change that view so that I am in alignment with God's Word. For instance, I used to be perfectly okay with homosexuality (sodomy) after my brainwashing at the college university, but when I read the Bible and saw Leviticus 20:13 ("If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.") and many other verses clearly speaking out against sodomy, I changed my own views so that I would be in allignment with God's Word and right with God. This has nothing to do with my own interpretation but what the Bible clearly says, as anyone can see.

You have to say that it is only my interpretation because you can't accept the fact and fear the fact that God has truly given us a final authority, a final authority that you will be judged by one day. You will be judged by the Book. You fear this accountability. Your statements which are based on escapism only make yourself and your own heart known.

You see, when someone gets saved they begin to hate what God hates and love what God loves. There were many worldly things that I myself used to believe and do, but upon reading the Bible I had to change those things. I have forsaken my old lifestyle, my old desires and wants and my old thought process so that I would be right with God, and so that I would actually resemble the men of the blessed Bible that I believe in. Romans 12:2 says, "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."

Your last statement is total projection. You commented on my post, and if you are going to comment on someones post you should take the time to actually read their entire post before commenting. That is how we have civil and fruitful discussions that leads to something meaningful. If you really read my post, you wouldn't have stated, "You're using God as shorthand for your own personal views." The entire post was going against personal views and the different views of 8 billion people on this planet, which are all based on the influences of society and culture. It is about forsaking CULTural and societal influences, their own changing "morality" and "ethics" to which we are all susceptible, and instead choosing to follow God's righteousness and His Word no matter what opinions you have come to believe.

Don't you think you'd be better off to forsake all of your fleeting opinions and views, which are a result of CULTural brainwashing, like for instance your emotionally driven view that the God of the Bible is unpleasant and mean, and instead wouldn't you rather get on the Creator of the Universes program and follow and hold to something that will stand forever? God's Holy Word. Matthew 24:35 - Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
@SW-User But you're doing the same thing. You're just repeating "the Bible says" over and over without admitting that it's your particular interpretation you're peddling.

To take the Leviticus 20:13 example, it's [i]impossible[/i] for a "man to lie with a man as with a woman," because men lack vaginas, and anal sex isn't the default for men and women. So clearly, the verse is referring to something other than gay butt sex.

If we look at the original Hebrew, it's

לא תשכב תשכב משכבי אשּה

literally, "do-not you-shall-sleep a woman’s implements-of-sleeping," a bed being an "implement of sleeping" that belongs to a woman in this case. There are many explicit prohibitions in the Bible, such as the ones forbidding a man from sleeping with his mother-in-law, or an animal, or working on the Sabbath; why would this prohibition have a completely different grammatical construction? It's forbidding two men from sleeping with each other in a bed belonging to a woman, not from sleeping with each other "as a man sleeps with a woman," whatever you imagine that to be.

Of course, since you believe that the KJV translation is superior to the original, none of this will mean anything to you, and you're going to put your own personal spin on it based on your own hysterical fear and hatred of gay men.

Why would a man like you have such irrational fear? It can only come from either your own fear that you may be secretly gay yourself, so you're overcompensating, or you're terrified that gay men are sexually objectifying you the way you sexually objectify women. A study at the University of Georgia found that the most overtly homophobic men were also the most aroused by viewing gay porn.

Normal heterosexual men are not concerned with what other men do in the bedroom, and don't lose their marbles when they see two men kissing in public or a man wearing a dress. Misinterpreting the Bible to support your own demented viewpoint would be a "sin" if the God you claim to worship actually existed.
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@LeopoldBloom Haha. The amount of mental gymnastics you are using in order to evade what the Bible clearly says is hilarious. Anyone can open up the Bible and see what it says for themselves. Ironically, you would rather come up with some farfetched and ridiculous interpretation because the truth hurts. If projection was a degree, you'd have a doctorate, mate.

Also, we don't have the original Hebrew today, we have modern Hebrew which is very different from Biblical Hebrew. Modern Hebrew is a language that was invented in the 1800's. Hebrew was a dead language for almost two thousand years. As early as 200 AD no one was speaking Hebrew as their native language. It was a dead language all the way until the 1800's when the Zionist movement decided to try to revive a dead language - the Hebrew language and revived it and created modern Hebrew.

I have no fear of homosexuals and homosexuality, so homophobic is actually a misnormer. I just hate it because it's evil and God hates it. Romans 1 and many other passages confirm this. Your parroted talking point about those who hate the sin of homosexuality because they may be gay themselves is laughable. This comes from the demented and perverted mind of Sigmund (Sickmind) Freud, a complete crank and most of his ideas have been completely debunked. Not surprised you're using them.

At the end of the day, you wish to escape reality. You can only do so for so long. Eventually it is going to catch up to you. You are going to die one day. 10 out of 10 people die, and you will know the truth. Don't wait till then to find out. I just prayed for you. I prayed that God would bless you, do good unto you and that you would be led to Him. I pray that you would escape Satan's snare and remove the spiritual blindfold that he has placed over you.
@SW-User I'm reading it literally instead of misinterpreting a bad translation to conform to my own personal opinion, the way you're doing. My quote wasn't modern Hebrew either, professor; it was the original version. You don't have to school me on the history of the language.

I used the term "homophobia" colloquially to refer to the fear and hatred of gay men. I can only speculate why you feel this way. If you want to make believe that it's only because of what you think you're reading in your Bible, don't let me stop you. My citation has nothing to do with Freud; it's from a modern, peer-reviewed study where the penile circumference of male subjects was measured in response to various stimuli.

[c=003BB2]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8772014/[/c]

The term used by the demented Paul of Tarsus was "arsenokoitai," a word that appears nowhere else and is thought to refer to ritual sex in pagan temples of the time. In Matthew 8:5-13, Jesus approves of a gay relationship. The word used to describe the servant, "pais," in other contemporary writing appears as an affectionate term for a gay lover, like "my boy."

Female humans have XX chromosomes; males have XY. While parthenogenesis has never been observed in humans, if that was the "miracle" of Jesus' birth, he had to be genetically female as he would have only had XX chromosomes from his mother. Yet he presented as a male, leading to the inescapable conclusion that he must have been a trans man. This would be similar to Buck Angel, who was born female but later transitioned to male.
This theory is supported by the fact that Jesus himself never explicitly condemned homosexuality or sexual transitioning.

You think you're reading the Bible literally; I think I am, too. Since you claim to be so close to God, send him to the room I'm in now and ask him to explain what those passages mean.
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