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Ferise1 · 46-50, M
It was made up and it is shit!!!!
LeopoldBloom · M
@Thandeka Even unbelievers ate saved.
Thandeka · 36-40, F
@LeopoldBloom Salvation is available you have to claim it as your own. It won't just fall on your lap that's not how it works.
LeopoldBloom · M
@Thandeka I can't claim it if I don't think it's real. That's like saying I can have a unicorn if I just ask for one.
Thandeka · 36-40, F
@LeopoldBloom Exactly. If you don't believe believe it you might as well be saying twinkle twinkle little star. It'll do you no good.
LeopoldBloom · M
@Thandeka But I can't force myself to believe in something that I consider absurd. So how can your God hold me responsible for his failure to reveal himself to me in a way I can understand?
Thandeka · 36-40, F
@LeopoldBloom We are taught to think a certain way but it's through experience that our thinking starts to become our own. I too believed what I was taught till I had a spiritual encounter.
LeopoldBloom · M
@Thandeka I was raised in a religious home, but one day when I was 14, it suddenly occurred to me that the God explanation wasn't necessary. So my experience was similar to yours, just opposite.
I've never had a spiritual encounter, so it's unfair to expect me to believe just because of what other people tell me. If God exists, he knows where to find me and what I would need him to do to believe in him. So the fact that he hasn't appeared to me yet suggests that he either doesn't exist, or doesn't care if I believe in him or not.
I've never had a spiritual encounter, so it's unfair to expect me to believe just because of what other people tell me. If God exists, he knows where to find me and what I would need him to do to believe in him. So the fact that he hasn't appeared to me yet suggests that he either doesn't exist, or doesn't care if I believe in him or not.
Thandeka · 36-40, F
@LeopoldBloom The fact that you were raised in a religious home was how God planned you to know about him. Just like you I was raised in a religious home but it's only when I began to seek to know more of him that he revealed more of himself. You can't force information about yourself towards someone. You only give them the basics of who you are. If they want a relationship with you they'll pursue you. That is how it works.
LeopoldBloom · M
@Thandeka Well, then God's plan didn't work. And I'm not saying he has to force himself on me. He just needs to demonstrate his existence to me in a way I can understand.
It's also possible that God has a different plan for you than he has for me. So it's a bit presumptuous of you to assume that I should have the same relationship with God that you have.
It's also possible that God has a different plan for you than he has for me. So it's a bit presumptuous of you to assume that I should have the same relationship with God that you have.