God created the uninverse.

By God I mean "the permanent self-existent spirit creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient."

And by universe I mean the composite collection of parts and bits creaded by God, of which humans are one such parts and bits, and thus humans are evidence to the existence of God.

Okay, I will start saying that there has always been existence instead of non-existence, and this existence is God.

Hi everyone here, do you agree with me that there has always been existence, or you hold that there was never any existence, then from nothingness somethingness just sprang forth into existence?

I thin if you hold that position, you are absurd, period.

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yrger · 80-89, M

Hi Doc, the universe cannot be self-existent because it has a beginning.

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DocSavage · M
If your god can be self existent, is there any practical reason the universe itself can’t be self existent as well ?
You haven’t explained why it would need a creator with intent. Or why this creator needs to be permanent, or why a spirit would create a material universe if it had no need of physical features or form.
If you are truly willing to discuss the matter honestly. Start with these.
You already have several here willing to address each. Without malice.
Are you up to the challenge? Or are you too scared ?

NortiusMaximus · M

@yrger

the universe cannot be self-existent because it has a beginning.

According to whom?

DocSavage · M

@yrger
You said something can’t come nothing. Then why do you assume god did ?
You said god is a spirit. In a material universe, a spirit is nothing .it has no form , dimension, no substance. Where did god get the components to create the universe from ? Something from nothing , created by nothing ?
And you wonder why we doubt you.