God created the uninverse.

By God I mean "the permanent self-existent spirit creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient."

And by universe I mean the composite collection of parts and bits creaded by God, of which humans are one such parts and bits, and thus humans are evidence to the existence of God.

Okay, I will start saying that there has always been existence instead of non-existence, and this existence is God.

Hi everyone here, do you agree with me that there has always been existence, or you hold that there was never any existence, then from nothingness somethingness just sprang forth into existence?

I thin if you hold that position, you are absurd, period.

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yrger · 80-89, M

Hi LeopoldBloom, that is not begging the question, because as we now know what is the thing we are talking about, by defining it - we can go forth into the world to look for it.

Hi everyone here, there is no circular reasoning except in your mind, for with a definition of the thing we can now go forth into the world outside our mind to look for the object that satisfies our definition.

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LeopoldBloom · M
You're begging the question; that is, assuming the answer in advance. You define "God" as "creator," then point to material reality as "proof." It's a form of circular reasoning - a logical fallacy.

If we define the Big Bang as the initiation of space and time, it is impossible that this was caused by the act of will of a sentient being. An act of will has two components - conception and execution. These are only meaningful within the arrow of time. Therefore, your "creator" is within the arrow of time, meaning time existed before the Big Bang. So your "creator" did not initiate time. So what was he doing during those aeons of endless eternity before he decided, for no reason, to suddenly create the universe?