Truth behind resurrection of Jesus Christ

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Yes, Jesus rose from dead on the third day. There are people who witnessed this.

No, Jesus was crucified but not resurrected

Both crucifixion and resurrection never happened.

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1. Yes, Jesus rose from dead on the third day. There are people who witnessed this.

2. No, Jesus was crucified but not resurrected.

3. Both crucifixion and resurrection never happened.

Exploring the truth behind the resurrection of Jesus via a discussion. Please share your thoughts. Informative comments will be summarised and updated under the above three categories.

[b]Arguments for ressurection claim :[/b]

Many people died to witness what they saw. Steven was stoned to death preaching about Jesus, and Paul witnessed that. He also start preaching about Jesus. The 4 major gospel accounts differ in the way they describe the same events. This is because God is very cleaver to give us many views of the same story, so we get a very detailed good picture of who God is; like being a detective asking what happened at a party. Luke foreinstance will tell what happened in great detail focusing on what was said, Mathew tells major events and who was related to who, Mark shares what the host did, and John tells how amazing the host is, and why he is worth knowing. ( Source:@Carazaa comments)
It is a common belief among Christians that resurrection happened and as it is hard to prove that resurrection happened it is also hard to prove that resurrection never happened. All proofs are hard to be bound under the realms of physics. But organised Christianity has shat on Jesus' messages in the millennia since. [ Sources : longpatrol and feetarefantastic]

[b]Arguments against resurrection claims :[/b]

There are four major gospels, and four versions of the resurrection.

The earliest Gospel was written by Mark. Matthew and Luke based their stories on Mark, editing according to their own purposes. All scholars agree that the last 12 verses of Mark, in modern translations, are highly dubious. Most agree that they do not belong in the bible. The earliest ancient documents of Mark end right after the women find the empty tomb. This means that in the first biography, on which the others based their reports, there is no post-resurrection appearance or ascension of Jesus. Noticing the problem, a Christian scribe at a much later time inserted verses 9-20. The Gospel accounts cannot be considered historical, but even if they were, they tell us that the earliest biography of Jesus contains no resurrection! They tell us that the Gospels were edited, adapted, altered and appended at later times to make them fit the particular sectarian theology of the writers. (Source : @BlueSkyKing)
Later authors copied from previous authors and make the miracles and works of Jesus more grandiose (Source : [@pickachu])
There are no first hand account of Jesus ever being on the cross - all the apostles fled when he was arrested.( Source : @jshm2)

Christianity and Jesus seem to have been copied from Mithra.
Mithra was a virgin-born Persian god. In 307 C.E. (just before Constantine institutionalized Christianity), the Roman emperor officially designated that Mithra was to be the “Protector of the Empire.” Historian Barbara Walker have recorded about Mithra's birth.

The sayings of Jesus can be attributed to Egyptian, Buddhist, and Hindu texts that were hundreds to thousands of years older than Bible( Source comment : @Tastyfrzz)

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BlueSkyKing · M Best Comment

Four gospels, four versions of the resurrection.

The earliest Gospel written was Mark. Matthew and Luke based their stories on Mark, editing according to their own purposes. All scholars agree that the last 12 verses of Mark, in modern translations, are highly dubious. Most agree that they do not belong in the bible. The earliest ancient documents of Mark end right after the women find the empty tomb. This means that in the first biography, on which the others based their reports, there is no post-resurrection appearance or ascension of Jesus. Noticing the problem, a Christian scribe at a much later time inserted verses 9-20. The Gospel accounts cannot be considered historical, but even if they were, they tell us that the earliest biography of Jesus contains no resurrection! They tell us that the Gospels were edited, adapted, altered and appended at later times to make them fit the particular sectarian theology of the writers.

Amish · 22-25, M

@BlueSkyKing That's an interesting possibility. So possibly the earliest version of the Gospels may not have the resurrection part. Over a period of time with expanding imaginations, the resurrection part and many others could have been added.

BlueSkyKing · M

@Amish Resurrection is a common theme in the mythology of the region.

Amish · 22-25, M

@BlueSkyKing Only the case of Christianity, I believe.

BlueSkyKing · M

@Amish Mithra was a virgin-born Persian god. In 307 C.E. (just before Constantine institutionalized Christianity), the Roman emperor officially designated that Mithra was to be the “Protector of the Empire.” Historian Barbara Walker records this about Mithra:

“Mithra was born on the 25th of December...which was finally taken over by Christians in the 4th century as the birthday of Christ. Some say Mithra sprang from an incestuous union between the sun god and his own mother... Some claimed Mithra’s mother was a mortal virgin. Others said Mithra had no mother, but was miraculously born of a female Rock, the petra genetrix, fertilized by the Heavenly Father’s phallic lightning.

“Mithra’s birth was witnessed by shepherds and by Magi who brought gifts to his sacred birth-cave of the Rock. Mithra performed the usual assortment of miracles: raising the dead, healing the sick, making the blind see and the lame walk, casting out devils. As a Peter, son of the petra, he carried the keys of the kingdom of heaven... His triumph and ascension to heaven were celebrated at the spring equinox (Easter)...

“Before returning to heaven, Mithra celebrated a Last Supper with his twelve disciples, who represented the twelve signs of the zodiac. In memory of this, his worshippers partook of a sacramental meal of bread marked with a cross. This was one of seven Mithraic sacraments, the models for the Christians’ seven sacraments. It was called mizd, Latin missa, English mass. Mithra’s image was buried in a rock tomb... He was withdrawn from it and said to live again.

“Like early Christianity, Mithraism was an ascetic, anti-female religion. Its priesthood consisted of celibate men only...

“What began in water would end in fire, according to Mithraic eschatology. The great battle between the forces of light and darkness in the Last Days would destroy the earth with its upheavals and burnings. Virtuous ones...would be saved. Sinful ones...would be cast into hell... The Christian notion of salvation was almost wholly a product of this Persian eschatology, adopted by Semitic eremites and sun-cultists like the Essenes, and by Roman military men who thought the rigid discipline and vivid battle-imagery of Mithraism appropriate for warriors.

“After extensive contact with Mithraism, Christians also began to describe themselves as soldiers for Christ;... to celebrate their feasts on Sun-day rather than the Jewish sabbath... Like Mithraists, Christians practiced baptism to ascend after death through the planetary spheres to the highest heaven, while the wicked (unbaptized) would be dragged down to darkness.” (The Woman’s Encyclopedia Of Myths And Secrets, pages 663-665)

Amish · 22-25, M

@BlueSkyKing I never knew about the Mithra story. Thank you for sharing. I just did a brief search and yes Christianity has lots in common with Mithrians. Infact it looksalmost the same.