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Lichocolati · 31-35, F
@InHeaven That doesn't mean you're a sinner. The sinner is one that's fully walking in the flesh who isn't unified with God.
InHeaven · F
People fall all the time@Lichocolati even if they are walking with God. I consider myself now as “walking with God”, cause I definitely changed my life but I still fall (sin), I fall short of what’s in the Bible, so I have to repent everyday over and over again and even anticipate other falls 🤷♀️ If I were to die right now, I would not make it to heaven. Maybe some day or maybe not. Who endures to the end. So, the ending of it all will tell, not the beginning. But that’s me, maybe there are holy people out there that don’t sin. I am not sure I’ve met them tho
Lichocolati · 31-35, F
@InHeaven The fact that you repent shows you're not a sinner. A sinner in my own point of view does one evil thing after another without repenting and doesn't care to. I'm not the person I was before but do I think I'll make it to Heaven. Well I sure hope I will 😅
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REMsleep · 41-45, F
@Diotrephes To me everything that Jesus said was incredibly important because of who I believe that he is so again its a matter of faith. If you don't believe that he exists or that he was who he said or was just a crazy person then nothing that he would say would be important to you right?
I don't look at any crazed person on the street for any source of knowledge. I usually wouldn't trust anything they have to say.
The most important part of the message of Christ was that God is real and that we need God. God loved us enough to make a way for us to be reconciled with him.
His message was love from God and the peace and assurance that this brings through the sacrifice of Christ's death.
And our great commandment to
[b] You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind," and "You shall love your neighbor as yourself. [/b]
He taught many other things specifically and shared perfect wisdom but this is the summary of his message.
I don't look at any crazed person on the street for any source of knowledge. I usually wouldn't trust anything they have to say.
The most important part of the message of Christ was that God is real and that we need God. God loved us enough to make a way for us to be reconciled with him.
His message was love from God and the peace and assurance that this brings through the sacrifice of Christ's death.
And our great commandment to
[b] You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind," and "You shall love your neighbor as yourself. [/b]
He taught many other things specifically and shared perfect wisdom but this is the summary of his message.
Lichocolati · 31-35, F
@jshm2 Jesus didn't tell the disciples a number of things. He said they weren't ready and that the Holy Spirit will reveal them to them when he comes and he did.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@REMsleep [quote]To me everything that Jesus said was incredibly important because of who I believe that he is so again its a matter of faith. If you don't believe that he exists or that he was who he said or was just a crazy person then nothing that he would say would be important to you right?[/quote]
OK, here's a test to evaluate your level of understanding. Are you game?
Jesus supposedly said that if you have the faith the size of a mustard seed that you can command a tree or a mountain to uproot itself and to jump into the sea. Can you give an example of when you did that?
In Mark 16:17-18 (MSG) = 17-18 “These are some of the signs that will accompany believers: They will throw out demons in my name, they will speak in new tongues, they will take snakes in their hands, they will drink poison and not be hurt, they will lay hands on the sick and make them well.”
Do you recall how many times you have done such things? How successful were you?
OK, here's a test to evaluate your level of understanding. Are you game?
Jesus supposedly said that if you have the faith the size of a mustard seed that you can command a tree or a mountain to uproot itself and to jump into the sea. Can you give an example of when you did that?
In Mark 16:17-18 (MSG) = 17-18 “These are some of the signs that will accompany believers: They will throw out demons in my name, they will speak in new tongues, they will take snakes in their hands, they will drink poison and not be hurt, they will lay hands on the sick and make them well.”
Do you recall how many times you have done such things? How successful were you?
Lichocolati · 31-35, F
@Adstar I don't know why you'd call yourself with sinner when the Bible calls the born again righteous.
Adstar · 56-60, M
@Lichocolati I am [c=7700B2][u]deemed[/u][/c] righteous because the Atonement of the LORD Jesus is covering me.. The sacrificed Blood of the Passover Lamb of God , Jesus, is covering my transgressions so my sins are not only forgiven they are forgotten and in the eyes of God i am Righteous and like the Lamb of God without blemish...
But do i still sin in my life in this world.. Yes.. sadly i am still a normal flesh human being with all the faultiness which that entails..
The Prophet Jeremiah predicted the New Covenant of the LORD Jesus in Jeremiah chapter 31:
(Jeremiah 31:31) "¶ Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:"
He went on to add details..
(Jeremiah 31:34) "And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for[c=7700B2] I will forgive their iniquity, and [u]I will remember their sin no more[/u][/c]."
So God has the ability if He wills to forget our sins He can wipe them from His own memory..
But do i still sin in my life in this world.. Yes.. sadly i am still a normal flesh human being with all the faultiness which that entails..
The Prophet Jeremiah predicted the New Covenant of the LORD Jesus in Jeremiah chapter 31:
(Jeremiah 31:31) "¶ Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:"
He went on to add details..
(Jeremiah 31:34) "And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for[c=7700B2] I will forgive their iniquity, and [u]I will remember their sin no more[/u][/c]."
So God has the ability if He wills to forget our sins He can wipe them from His own memory..
REMsleep · 41-45, F
@Diotrephes Well I do take issue with you assuming that you are equipped to evaluate " my understanding". That statement is arrogant.
By what measure is your knowledge to be able to evaluate me?
I will however provide freely my understanding of those words spoken by Jesus.
When Christ says that, [b].if you havefaithas small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move [/b]
he is saying that God is great and that even a small amount of faith is enough because the source of our power is not the greatness of our faith but, it is the greatness of God.
Truly all things are possible with God but the Bible also says that all things must be done decently and in order. In other words it is not likely for God to work extreme miracles in everything to do pointless things like shifting mountains from side to side without purpose.
Also asking me if I have performed miracles is not really a good question since you do not know my level of faith or righteous devotion nor if I have asked to perform such miracles in my life.
The heart of what you are asking ( I think) is why don't you see more Christians performing clear cut miracles today?
The Bible states clearly that many who profess to follow Christ and work in his name are not saved.
Many professed Christians today do not faithfully follow Jesus nor his teachings. They are workers of iniquity as The Bible says.
But yes miracles are performed even today. I have seen documented cases of lives saved, people healed.
I had a prophetic dream that 2 other people had during the same 2 day window and I had no knowledge beforehand or worry or anxiety about the serious thing which was convyed to me in my dream which probably saved a life. I had no contact with the other 2 who also had the dream recently. I only say probably because I cannot prove that the person would have died otherwise.
I have prayed on extremely unlikely things and they have occured. I have asked for healing and been healed.
Are you asking why limbs aren't regrown or things like that?
Miracles are not for miracles sake. As humans we are easily distracted and God often uses our suffering to draw us near to him.
Answer to prayer is not always yes.
Just as God does not routinely break the natural laws to raise the dead God does not cause men to fly or kill bad men with a lightning zap from fingertips.
Being a Christian is not a superhero
By what measure is your knowledge to be able to evaluate me?
I will however provide freely my understanding of those words spoken by Jesus.
When Christ says that, [b].if you havefaithas small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move [/b]
he is saying that God is great and that even a small amount of faith is enough because the source of our power is not the greatness of our faith but, it is the greatness of God.
Truly all things are possible with God but the Bible also says that all things must be done decently and in order. In other words it is not likely for God to work extreme miracles in everything to do pointless things like shifting mountains from side to side without purpose.
Also asking me if I have performed miracles is not really a good question since you do not know my level of faith or righteous devotion nor if I have asked to perform such miracles in my life.
The heart of what you are asking ( I think) is why don't you see more Christians performing clear cut miracles today?
The Bible states clearly that many who profess to follow Christ and work in his name are not saved.
Many professed Christians today do not faithfully follow Jesus nor his teachings. They are workers of iniquity as The Bible says.
But yes miracles are performed even today. I have seen documented cases of lives saved, people healed.
I had a prophetic dream that 2 other people had during the same 2 day window and I had no knowledge beforehand or worry or anxiety about the serious thing which was convyed to me in my dream which probably saved a life. I had no contact with the other 2 who also had the dream recently. I only say probably because I cannot prove that the person would have died otherwise.
I have prayed on extremely unlikely things and they have occured. I have asked for healing and been healed.
Are you asking why limbs aren't regrown or things like that?
Miracles are not for miracles sake. As humans we are easily distracted and God often uses our suffering to draw us near to him.
Answer to prayer is not always yes.
Just as God does not routinely break the natural laws to raise the dead God does not cause men to fly or kill bad men with a lightning zap from fingertips.
Being a Christian is not a superhero
REMsleep · 41-45, F
@Adstar
It is difficult to explain nuances of Biblical teaching in a few sentences on the internet but I agree with you 100%.
I know that God does only what he wills but there is a difference between a sinner asking for something and the righteous asking for something and that is what I was trying to convey.
[b] 31Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth. [/b] John 9:31 KJV
I know that there is no special prayer that makes God to do anything ( which I referenced by saying the we are not like a superhero doing amazing miracles at will) but also if you see a church full of false followers then they will not be spirit filled nor performing miracles so thats why I meantioned that just asking any old person who professes to be Christian if they have performed miracles is not a valid accessment of whether or not God still performs miracles thru Christians.
There are many promises made to believers which are not made to nonbelievers in The Bible.
You are correct the Bible says that God hears believers but his will and plans are not always our plans so not every prayer is a yes but we have assurance as believers that, [b] For where two or three are gathered together in my name,there am I in the midst of them.” (Matt. 18:19–20.) Prayer, then, is the vehicle whereby we invite His Spirit to be with us. [/b]
This is another reason that my righteousness or lack of is important. As explained in @Lichocolati's original question once called according to his purpose we are righteous. I was not implying that my own goodness causes prayers to be answered.
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It is difficult to explain nuances of Biblical teaching in a few sentences on the internet but I agree with you 100%.
I know that God does only what he wills but there is a difference between a sinner asking for something and the righteous asking for something and that is what I was trying to convey.
[b] 31Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth. [/b] John 9:31 KJV
I know that there is no special prayer that makes God to do anything ( which I referenced by saying the we are not like a superhero doing amazing miracles at will) but also if you see a church full of false followers then they will not be spirit filled nor performing miracles so thats why I meantioned that just asking any old person who professes to be Christian if they have performed miracles is not a valid accessment of whether or not God still performs miracles thru Christians.
There are many promises made to believers which are not made to nonbelievers in The Bible.
You are correct the Bible says that God hears believers but his will and plans are not always our plans so not every prayer is a yes but we have assurance as believers that, [b] For where two or three are gathered together in my name,there am I in the midst of them.” (Matt. 18:19–20.) Prayer, then, is the vehicle whereby we invite His Spirit to be with us. [/b]
This is another reason that my righteousness or lack of is important. As explained in @Lichocolati's original question once called according to his purpose we are righteous. I was not implying that my own goodness causes prayers to be answered.
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REMsleep · 41-45, F
@Lichocolati I believe that quite a few Christians (I have no percentages but its alot are not living for God.) Just believing alone by itself it not a qualifyer because even demons believe yet they will not be performing miracles.
This is where is comes in that [b]Faith without works is dead[/b]
If we believe with our whole heart and our whole mind and seek his kingdom first then we would see more. There is a good podcast which often addresses miracles. It is on Youtube as well. It is called Remenant Radio.
Miracles are performed today.
This is where is comes in that [b]Faith without works is dead[/b]
If we believe with our whole heart and our whole mind and seek his kingdom first then we would see more. There is a good podcast which often addresses miracles. It is on Youtube as well. It is called Remenant Radio.
Miracles are performed today.
REMsleep · 41-45, F
Your comment is not true. The Bible's entire theme is that all who are born are sinners. This is why context and reading the whole Bible is so important.
I will list only a few additional verses
1. [b]For all have sinned[/b] and fall short of the glory of God. ( Romans 3:23) " All" includes believers. That means everyone no exceptions.
2. But God shows his love for us in that [b]while we were still sinners, [/b]Christ died for us. ( Romans 5:8) Meaning that Christ died for us even while we were not yet born or not yet repenant.
3. Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because [b]all sinned[/b]—( Romans 5:12)
There are so many more instances of all who live being born in sin that we are sinners and no amount of good works can save us. Even the most perfect righteous person is a sinner. This is the theme of the new Testament. Salvation through Christ's loving sacrifice.
I will list only a few additional verses
1. [b]For all have sinned[/b] and fall short of the glory of God. ( Romans 3:23) " All" includes believers. That means everyone no exceptions.
2. But God shows his love for us in that [b]while we were still sinners, [/b]Christ died for us. ( Romans 5:8) Meaning that Christ died for us even while we were not yet born or not yet repenant.
3. Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because [b]all sinned[/b]—( Romans 5:12)
There are so many more instances of all who live being born in sin that we are sinners and no amount of good works can save us. Even the most perfect righteous person is a sinner. This is the theme of the new Testament. Salvation through Christ's loving sacrifice.
REMsleep · 41-45, F
@Diotrephes Again easily shown as untrue directly from the words of Jesus and his apostles( student followers/disciples).
God's message was never for one group of people. The message had to come from someone here on earth and so the Jews were choosen as the vessel.
This is stated in the Bible even before the birth of Christ.
Jesus did not love Jews more or come only to save them. In fact he was frequently unhappy with the treaching of many of the Jewish elites because they focused so heavily on laws and traditions instead of the word of God which they had access to. He described them as washing only the outside of a cup but the inside is dirty.
Even people who lived before Jews exsisted could love and respect God.
[b] “I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd” (John 10:16). [/b]
God's message was never for one group of people. The message had to come from someone here on earth and so the Jews were choosen as the vessel.
This is stated in the Bible even before the birth of Christ.
Jesus did not love Jews more or come only to save them. In fact he was frequently unhappy with the treaching of many of the Jewish elites because they focused so heavily on laws and traditions instead of the word of God which they had access to. He described them as washing only the outside of a cup but the inside is dirty.
Even people who lived before Jews exsisted could love and respect God.
[b] “I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd” (John 10:16). [/b]
REMsleep · 41-45, F
@Lichocolati In a strict sense you are correct. I understand what you are saying but it is just a manner of how the saved person chooses to speak on their conversion.
It is said this way to display humility( not pride) that saved people acknowledge that God saved them and not anything that they did and it is only by his grace that we are no longer living in sin and also as acknowledgement that we will never achieve a perfect sinless life here on earth.
I think that Christians say this because non-church people often view Christians as being self righteous so when trying to get out the message they want to drive home that we were sinners too and that only God's grace separates us from where they are.
It's true what you say that if you are repentant and have accepted Christ that you are or at least should not be living a life of sin and that those who are saved are now righteous.
But there is sound biblical doctrine for also acknowledging that we were sinners who have been saved as Paul does.
I do also see a danger that I had never considered before in stating things this way which can make it seem like we are still sinners and have no place to judge which is not correct.
It is said this way to display humility( not pride) that saved people acknowledge that God saved them and not anything that they did and it is only by his grace that we are no longer living in sin and also as acknowledgement that we will never achieve a perfect sinless life here on earth.
I think that Christians say this because non-church people often view Christians as being self righteous so when trying to get out the message they want to drive home that we were sinners too and that only God's grace separates us from where they are.
It's true what you say that if you are repentant and have accepted Christ that you are or at least should not be living a life of sin and that those who are saved are now righteous.
But there is sound biblical doctrine for also acknowledging that we were sinners who have been saved as Paul does.
I do also see a danger that I had never considered before in stating things this way which can make it seem like we are still sinners and have no place to judge which is not correct.