So, let me see if I've got this straight. (Genesis)

God tells Adam not to eat fruit from the tree temptingly placed right smack dab in the middle of the garden. He tells him that he will literally die the same day that he eats it. Adam repeats this information to Eve. Then the snake comes along, literally the second God's back is turned (this is the all-knowing, omnipresent god of the Christians, mind you, so he is DELIBERATELY not there), and offers Eve the fruit. Eve says no, because God said she would die, and the snake is all, "You won't die, just do it." And so Eve eats the fruit, and then gives some to Adam, and God suddenly and conveniently returns from his walk and catches them. And GUESS WHAT? They don't die.

But God never lies?

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nonsensiclesnail · F

From the story I’ve read, God did not delineate a time. Also, death is a process. The day she ate the fruit, she began the process.

Did she die? Yes. The devil is a liar.

LordShadowfire · 46-50, M

@nonsensiclesnail Genesis 2:17:

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

(Emphasis mine, obviously.)

In. The. Day.

nonsensiclesnail · F

And in that day, her eyes were opened and her body was subject to death. As we all know, death is s as process. Is Eve dead??
Sin leads to death - we are all living? Does that further the supposed lie?

LordShadowfire · 46-50, M

@nonsensiclesnail Your mental gymnastics notwithstanding, she didn't die the same day. That's what God said would happen. It didn't.

nonsensiclesnail · F

@LordShadowfire there is no mental gymnastics in use. it’s not my job to convince you of anything. And being a perfectly reasonable person I know when to stop without attempting to make the other person in the conversation feel less than.

LordShadowfire · 46-50, M

@nonsensiclesnail You have used metaphors and an understanding of biology to get around the fact that God directly said they would die in the same day if they ate the fruit. An honest person would look at this story and conclude that it was written by flawed humans who didn't think it through.

This is not an attempt to make you feel less than. I'm simply proving that the text contains specific language that said Adam and Eve would die in the same day. And instead of dying, if we read the text further, it indicates that they lived another 900 years or so.

nonsensiclesnail · F

@LordShadowfire the problem I have with what you are saying is that this is a very simple concept to understand but you refuse to to see the simplicity. Are you merely trying to raise awareness to something you feel is an obvious lie?

LordShadowfire · 46-50, M

@nonsensiclesnail Okay, seriously? I'm the one refusing to see how simple a concept it is? You're the one refusing to understand that God said something very simple:

in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Not in a hundred years. Not someday as a result of what happened in that day.
In. That. Day.

And now I suppose you're going to try to redefine the word day.

nonsensiclesnail · F

@LordShadowfire and in that day death was introduced into the human condition. From that moment forward, there was no perfection in the human. It was no longer holy. It was death. The body did not immediately fall to the ground, but who she was was dead. They were booted out of perfection by their own willful doing, by trusting someone who likes to play with words and use them to create a believable falsehood.

LordShadowfire · 46-50, M

@nonsensiclesnail

and in that day death was introduced into the human condition.

But they didn't die in that day. More mental gymnastics to complicate a very simple matter.

Sharon · F

@nonsensiclesnail

and in that day death was introduced into the human condition.

That isn't what God said. He/She/It said Eve would die "In that day". It clearly mean she would die that same day. At a stretch it could be interpreted as meaning "within 24 hours" but it cannot be reasonably interpreted as meaning some indeterminate time in the future.